Tom Blair's FW 190

Going from memory, it’s a Housai something-or-other, basically a Chinese copy of the Russian Ash-82 engine.

Close – its a Huosai HS-7, which is a license built Schwetsov ASch 82 T.

was that a container due to arrive or one that`s leaving ???:dev2:

I’ll check on Wednesday when I’m down there :diablo: 😀

Brian

Plus it is too early to start that yet!, we will be on guess whats in the container (again) before too long 😀

curlyboy

was that a container due to arrive or one that`s leaving ???:dev2:

Currently in “Area 51” and stripped down for engineering and design survey. Progressing……. but no it won’t be at legends 😉

It probably will be at Legends just not in a flying capacity.

Plus it is too early to start that yet!, we will be on guess whats in the container (again) before too long 😀

curlyboy

Any idea how things are progressing with a permit for this bird to take to the skies?

Currently in “Area 51” and stripped down for engineering and design survey. Progressing……. but no it won’t be at legends 😉

N registered aircraft operating on an ‘Experimental’ category outside the U.S are actually quite restricted on what they are able to do . Therefore transfer to the G reg was seen as preferable for many. Regards the Flug Werke machines – parts are not directly interchangeable in a lot of cases – therefore it’s not a restoration or indeed replication of an old design but in a number of ways a new machine . Therefore it’s not going to be easy from the certifiaction point of view.

Im blank on these registration issues, but it feels to me it’s a lot easier to get an aircraft thru the paperwork in the USA than in Europe.

Any idea how things are progressing with a permit for this bird to take to the skies?

Hah! Typical of my luck. Just when I try to post something half way intelligent someone comes along and bursts my bubble. I think the motto on here is ‘Beware – your ignorance will always catch you out’.:D Serious;y though, thanks for correcting my mistake. That’ll teach me to check for accuracy before posting in future.

Another well known aircraft to use the Ash-82 was/is the Antonov An-2.
By the way Wessex Fan, very nice photos. Thanks for sharing with us.

No, the An-2 is powered by the ASh-62IR – from which the ASh-82 was derived.

Ken

As I understand it, aircraft like the FW 190 won’t be certified (i.e.with a C of A) but will fly under an EASA Permit to Fly. The problem is that EASA don’t know what form the permit will take as they are way behind on all sorts of legislation. They are also prone to making changes on a whim. For example the Beagle Pup has gone from being an Annex 2 aircraft, eligible for a C of A on the basis of there being a Type Certificate holder, to an EASA permit aircraft. It’s a minefield and I think my mate “Feather No 3” has got the answer.

Assuming that the engine is an ASh-82 (or Chinese copy thereof)…..

According to ‘The Osprey Encyclopaedia of Russian Aircraft’

The ASh-82 is a 14-cylinder radial derived from the ASh-62 – which was itself derived from the Wright R-1820 Cyclone via the M-25 engine.

The cylinder stroke from the ASh-62 was reduced to give a capacity of 41.4ltr on the ASh-82 instead of 42.7ltr on the -62.

The ASh-82 was used on many famous Soviet aircraft – including the Lavochkin La-5FN & La-7.

BTW, ASh refers to the engine designer Arkady Shvetsov.

Ken

Another well known aircraft to use the Ash-82 was/is the Antonov An-2.
By the way Wessex Fan, very nice photos. Thanks for sharing with us.

Hi All

I am probably going to say something really stupid, however here goes. If we restore the remains of a FW 190 or any other wartime aircraft, that was manufactured only in wartime by the then German aviation industry. Do we not come up against the same problems of certification that appear to be afflicting Tom Blair’s ‘190’ replica? Wartime certifications, even if you can find all the paperwork, surely would not be sufficient given possible wartime compromises.

The point I am trying to make, is that getting the real thing into the air, will be as difficult in paperwork terms, as will be certification of a replica. Both are in effect new aircraft!

Eric

Thanks JDK…

Didn,t know about the interchangeability between the two types.Is it a case of structural modernisation and upgrading like the new 262,s??:confused:
I know the Fw190 tailwhells will fit each other.

I originally typed it was a Chinese copy of a Russian copy of the original BMW.

Then I changed it before I posted because I thought I must have made it up. 🙂

Assuming that the engine is an ASh-82 (or Chinese copy thereof)…..

According to ‘The Osprey Encyclopaedia of Russian Aircraft’

The ASh-82 is a 14-cylinder radial derived from the ASh-62 – which was itself derived from the Wright R-1820 Cyclone via the M-25 engine.

The cylinder stroke from the ASh-62 was reduced to give a capacity of 41.4ltr on the ASh-82 instead of 42.7ltr on the -62.

The ASh-82 was used on many famous Soviet aircraft – including the Lavochkin La-5FN & La-7.

BTW, ASh refers to the engine designer Arkady Shvetsov.

Ken

Don’t worry, they’ll get her ‘N’ registered and then she’s away!! 🙂

Given the steady transfer of N registered UK based Warbirds to G- or back to the USA over the last decade or so, I don’t think that route remains the best option. If, as The Blue Max conjectures it’s a basic certification question, the same issue would, presumably apply.

According to the While One foundation in Florida, rebuilding a couple of original Fw-190s, the Flug Werke parts are not interchangeable with the real thing. Again, perhaps a relevant point, and clearly the aircraft can’t be certified as a ‘late production’ Fw.

As this is a German Aeroplane then surley it is governerd by EASA and not the CAA:confused: Has the German example been fully certified yet or is it still in the prototype stage and still going through flight testing?? and flying on a test permit. This is not a resored A/C dont forget, this is a new built new type!!!! Therefore it has to go through all the rigures of certification of any new type. If it has been fully certified by EASA, i suspect it hasnt yet, then under the new rules it should be able to fly in the UK.
I for one look fwd to seeing it in the air, this will hopefully happen when the weight of the paper work matches or exeeds that of the A/C:)

Don’t worry, they’ll get her ‘N’ registered and then she’s away!! 🙂

G’day 😉

Seems to be taking ages…:confused:

I originally typed it was a Chinese copy of a Russian copy of the original BMW.

Then I changed it before I posted because I thought I must have made it up. 🙂

I thought it was a Chinese licence built engine .

Going from memory, it’s a Housai something-or-other, basically a Chinese copy of the Russian Ash-82 engine.