Tony Blair Gives Olympics Comments On The BBC

Just had a look at yer link,thinking back to that election…many women voted for teflon tony cos they thought he was good looking…he obviously was better at telling porkies than the other lot 😉
I am sure that you know that people vote one way or tother for many different reasons and they are not necessarily very logical.

To be serious for a minute…no I cant…politics (like life) has become too bizarre !

You don’t think the media has influence over the electorate? Staggering, simply staggering.

The Red flag must be fluttering in your eyes again arthur or you would have seen that my point was not to use Wiki if you want to be taken seriously….
I never said that the media might/might not affect some things – but to get kinnock elected you would have needed to be standing behind the voters with a loaded gun LOL 😀

Are you saying this story is wrong then?
http://www.crest.ox.ac.uk/papers/p75.pdf

You don’t think the media has influence over the electorate? Staggering, simply staggering.

Careful bazv, your true colours are showing again.;)

Ah Wikipedia – the most accurate research tool…written/compiled by…Oh – any old Tom Dick and Harry :rolleyes::D

C’mon Arthur…that is scraping the barrel for an excuse for losing an election…that to55er was almost as unelectable as Broon…he couldnt even have a paddle in the sea without screwing it up 😀

Anyone who thinks the media have no influence in the outcome of modern elections are wide of the mark. Newspaper backing is regarded by all parties as a major player in election strategy.

Remember this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_The_Sun_Wot_Won_It

and if the John Major/Edwina Currey thing had come out earlier

I reckon he’d still be PM today.

It was his boring image that lost him popularity. Revalations of a bit of spicy nookie with my one time fellow pupil at Mosspits Lane County Primary would have given his ratings an enormous boost.

Moggy

Yes Major should have gone to specsavers LOL 😀

and if the John Major/Edwina Currey thing had come out earlier, John Smith could well have been Prime Minister a while before he passed away……

I was more thinking of the media coverage that lost Labour the 1992 election.

If John Smith had been the Labour leader then – I reckon they would have had a chance of winning…but they had that useless to55er Kinnock in charge :rolleyes: so no chance :D.
Of course him + the lovely Mrs K went on to milk the euro gravy train for years afterwards :rolleyes:

I was more thinking of the media coverage that lost Labour the 1992 election.

When Manny Shinwell, in 1950, was asked why they lost the election, he replied, “We didn’t get enough votes.” It was true, then, and it’s true now; blaming a few tawdry sheets of toilet paper is the easy cop-out, when the truth is that a political party makes itself electable, or not, as the case might be. There are several people, in this country, who retain the ability to think for themselves.

Moggy you are right to be so suspicious, as it seems that ‘only’ 23% of voters want him tried as a war criminal – I stand corrected.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2010/feb/03/tony-blair-trial-iraq-war

…which the majority of the public perceive to be an unjust.

I am always cautious when terms like ‘majority’ are used loosely in an Internet discussion without any proof that such a majority exists.

It may well do, but I think we should see be allowed to see something tangible to back up the statement.

Moggy

I know what an oxymoron is, Mr Green, (the benefit of an education), this simply isn’t one. Nicely veiled insult though, keep it up. You’ll get what you want eventually.

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Arthur Pewtey

Oxymoron. Putting together words which contradict each other – OED

Yes Arthur, you’re wrong – yet again

Well, I don’t remember them either, but I know of them, but then that indicates the value of an education

John Green

And before ‘Arfur’ says that I am having a pop at labour again…it is not because they were labour …it is because they were (far) worse than useless and also dangerous for our country !

Possibly better than leaving earlier and giving the idiot Brown even longer to drive the country into bankruptcy.

Moggy

You are too kind to Broon Moggy…if I said what I really thought about Broon and ‘Mandy’…I would be permanently banned from here :)…
He should never have been given any power,and they called him ‘prudent’ at one time :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
He was too dim to realise that he didnt have any friends (except perhaps mandy…but who the hell would want him for a friend :rolleyes:)

I think there is much more accountability for today’s politicians…

Unless you’re a despot…..like Saddam Hussein! 😉

Values and principles from Old Labour – yes. The Labour Party of Gaitskell, Morrison, Attlee, with Callaghan just edging in.

None of these leaders would get elected today; ‘Old Labour’ is the politics of a different century surely…

…and how many of these governments got re-elected?

I was more thinking of the media coverage that lost Labour the 1992 election.

I see; but if the media was influencing election results, as opposed to just reflecting the voter’s opinions, why not introduce PR when New Labour had such a big majority (or even have a referendum as per their pre-election pledge) and lessen the influence of the media?

Could it be that post 1997 PR would have reduced the New Labour majority? :rolleyes:

Presumably we need to retrospectively prosecute Neville Chamberlain and Herbert Asquith also?

Moggy

I think there is much more accountability for today’s politicians, albeit sometimes after some digging around by journos to expose law-breaking. The modern age, in addition to the public not accepting mass casualties in a war, sees an expectation that our leaders should not commit us to conflicts which the majority of the public perceive to be an unjust.