torpedos question

All I know is that they use Mitsubishi made Type 89 and Type 80 torpedoes. Navweaps have some info, but I assume you’ve already seen it: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTJAP_PostWWII.htm

Yes, it is a good source of information. Info from Internet is traced there. I have written on one of Russian forums the data on torpedoes 53-65М and 53-65К, and they have appeared on Navweaps soon.

However, if on Type 80 speed over 30 knots is quite authentic, on Type 89 – 70 knots – is not true. The best Russian electric torpedo USET-80 (TE-2) has speed up to 50 knots at range up to 20 km. Obviously close characteristics should have Type 89, that was coordinated to characteristics of torpedo Mk 48 mod. 4.

Regards,
Heyerdahl

Has anyone info on modern Japanese torpedoes?

The data available in the Internet are inconsistent.

Regards,
Heyerdahl

All I know is that they use Mitsubishi made Type 89 and Type 80 torpedoes. Navweaps have some info, but I assume you’ve already seen it: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTJAP_PostWWII.htm

Has anyone info on modern Japanese torpedoes?

The data available in the Internet are inconsistent.

Regards,
Heyerdahl

I really don´t know what problem Brazil had concerning the Torpedo 2000 integration……What I know is that Brazil has ordered 30 Mk48 Mod7 just after the Torpedo 2000 contract cancellation.

Probably, one of reasons against TORPEDO-2000 could be accident with submarine “Kursk”. Peroxide torpedoes demand careful service and the skilled personnel.

Yes, I’ve heard about the cancellation of that order. Since the Torpedo 2000 AFAIK is the export version of the Tp 62 it’s a bit odd that there would be major integration problems.

Especially since the Swedish subs AFAIK uses a lot of German systems, and I guess that Brazil wanted to use these torpedoes on their German-designed submarines?

Regards

I really don´t know what problem Brazil had concerning the Torpedo 2000 integration……What I know is that Brazil has ordered 30 Mk48 Mod7 just after the Torpedo 2000 contract cancellation.

Regards

Manufacturers and developers of torpedo weapon in Russia.

1. Dvigatel Plant – developing and manufacturing
2. Gidropribor Institute – developing
3. Morteplotekhnika Institute – developing
4. Dagdizel Plant – manufacturing

Now all these firms are in process of association in one corporation

5. Region Enterprise – developing and manufacturing

Is part of Tactical Missiles Corporation

If you are interested with more detailed information, write me by E-mail

russian or ex USSR manufacturers of torpedoes

Finally, i carry on with my research and i have got some names but don’t know anything else. I will need more information if somebody has any? I will really appreciate.

Dvigatel?
Dagdizel?
Mashzavod?
Uran NPO?
Kuybishev?
Region GNPO?
Zenit?

thank youy

Here’s a start:

http://www.gidropribor.ru/eng/

torpedoes manufacturers

Hello,

I try to find names of russian manufacturers of torpedoes. I know that there is approximately 10 but i can’t find names of companies (and I don’t speak russian or read 🙂

thank you

Anyone have more info on Russian torpedoes?

Russia has good traditions in the torpedo weapon.
Were especially good (for that time) anti-surface-ship torpedoes 53-65М (up to 70 knots, peroxide of hydrogen), 53-65К (oxygen) and 65-76 (peroxide of hydrogen).

New Russian torpedo UGST includes excellent experience and an artificial intellect.

UGST versatile deep-water homing torpedo

Designed to defeat surface ships and submarines.
The torpedo can be launched from submarines and surface ships.
The 7.2-m long basic model of the torpedo can be launched from tubes designed to Russian standards, while its 6.1-m long version fits torpedo tubes designed to NATO standards. The torpedo’s onboard systems are adapted to the platform’s relevant systems by adjusting the weapon’s computer software to that of the parent ship. The UGST torpedo consists of:
• a warhead section containing an explosive charge;
• an equipment module including the homing and wire guidance systems, as well as running control and other electronic systems;
• an axial-piston engine using one-component liquid fuel;
• a low-noise water-jet propulsor coupled directly with the engine (without a reduction gear unit).
The active/passive homing system uses a planar transmit/ receive antenna array with a scan sector that can be adjusted.
The practice configuration of the torpedo is used for training personnel and naval forces. For this purpose, a warshot torpedo is converted to the practice version by substituting the warhead section for a practice one. For positive buoyancy, the fuel tank of the practice torpedo can be filled partially.

Basic Characteristics:
Weight, kg:
– torpedo – 2,100 (1,800)
– explosive charge – not less than 300
Caliber, mm – 533
Length:
– torpedo, mm – 7,200 (6,050)
– telecontrol wire, km: torpedo guidance wire reel – up to 25; towed guidance wire reel – up to 5
Range, km – up to 50 (up to 40)
Speed, knots:
– mode I – 50
– mode II – 35
Depth, m:
– running – up to 500
– launching from submarine – up to 400
Homing range, km:
– submarine – up to 2 -2. 5
– surface ship – up to 1.2
Surface ship’s wake indication time, s – up to 350
Fuze actuation range, m:
– submarine – 2
– surface ship – 6-8

Torpedoes that Turkish Navy use:

Ay-class submarines (Type 209/1200)
Mk14/Mk23
Mk37II/III
SST-4

Preveze-class submarines (Type 290/1400)
Mk14/23
Mk37II/III
Mk24 ModII Tigerfish
(UGM-84 Harpoon)

Gur-class submarines (Type 209/1400 Mod.)
Mk24 ModII Tigerfish
DM2A4L
(UGM-84 Harpoon)

Note: Turkey originally had a contract for 2-battery version DM2A4 (DM2A4S) for Gur-class submarines. An additional contract with Atlas was signed then to upgrade these torpedoes to 4-battery (German Navy standard) version (DM2A4L). This addition caused a delay in the procurement schedule.

Oh no he found his way over here too. It’s Andi Biochemicali.
I posted this post in a different thread, but no one responded so here we go:
DM2A4 integrated in the U212 design:

The DM2A4
Upgrade provides ‘mix-and-match’ torpedo

Radical changes in the configuration of the STN Atlas DM2 (Deutsches Modell 2) — export name: Seehecht (Seahake) — torpedo family are now being offered as a further upgrade for this weapon or as a new-build weapon, writes E R Hooton. The DM 2A1 entered service in 1976 and, since 1980, STN Atlas has continually upgraded the design, exporting versions that retain the overall capability but lack certain sensitive features. The current production version for the German Navy and NATO is DM2A3.

The latest version, DM2A4 — export designation Seahake Mod 4 — has been developed specifically for the German Navy’s Type 212 submarine programme and will enter service in about 2003. This retains the electrical propulsion of its predecessor, using new silver-zinc batteries with disc-shaped cells. These power a new 300kW high-frequency, permanent-magnet, synchronised motor with seven-phase stator and planetary gear. The motor has step-less speed changes and is more than 90% efficient. There is also a new fin and rudder design.

The propulsion system is the key to the radical change planned for the DM2A4. In its standard configuration (length 6.6m), the weapon will have four batteries to achieve its maximum range of more than 27nm (50km) and a speed of some 50kt.

There are four other variants, ranging in length from 5.9m down to 4.5m, but with fewer batteries. The M (Medium) version will have three batteries, giving a range of about 21nm (40km); the S (Short) two-battery version will have a range of about 16nm (30km); plus two single-battery versions. Of the latter, the VS (Very Short) version will have a range of about 10nm (17.5km). The maximum speeds of these weapons will range from 90% to 35% of the standard configuration weapon.

On the DM2A4, the mechanical swivelling transducer array is replaced by a conformal sensor, with 38 staves (152 transducers) which produces pre-formed, wide-angle beams. Export weapons will have full digital-signal processing but German Navy weapons, which will be upgraded from the DM2A3, and will retain some analogue features. A fibre-optic wire with two-way communication will complete the guidance system.

The weapon retains the 250kg hexagon/RDT/aluminium high-explosive warhead (equivalent to 460kg of TNT) with magnetic influence and contact fuzes, but with a wake sensor added to improve torpedo counter-countermeasures capabilities.

The most unusual version of the DM2A4 is derived from the VS but with a wake-homing sensor. This weapon is designed specifically for use against merchant ships and is one of a package of DM2A4s sold to an unidentified NATO country.

Growth potential has been built-in to the design with two stages scheduled by 2010 and another in the following decade, the latter as DM2A5 (Seahake Mod 5 for export). Plans also exist for a full-length Autonomous Underwater Vehicle version with a single battery (range up to 54nm [100km]) for use as an exercise target, for minefield reconnaissance and neutralisation using the Seafox system.

From Jane’s.

The Brazilians just cancelled the contract for Tp 2000 signed with BUS in 1999, reportedly due to integration difficulties. There`s no information on the contract cancellation penalties.

Looks like the Brazilian Navy is looking with interest a t the Black Shark as replacement for current Tigerfish Mod2

Yes, I’ve heard about the cancellation of that order. Since the Torpedo 2000 AFAIK is the export version of the Tp 62 it’s a bit odd that there would be major integration problems.

Especially since the Swedish subs AFAIK uses a lot of German systems, and I guess that Brazil wanted to use these torpedoes on their German-designed submarines?

Regards

thanks jonesy.
as usual your info is impecable 🙂
thanks again brother
Camaro.

No problem Camaro

I have some information about the German SUT/SST4/SeaHake weapons but, I’d imagine Janes may have some legal issues to take up with me if I posted it verbatim!. These are the bits relevant to SST4 in particular though:

As development of DM1 and DM2 continued during the 1960s the German shipbuilding industry received permission to export submarines. The German philosophy is to regard torpedoes as part of the whole submarine weapons platform but at that time government policy prohibited the export of torpedoes developed for the Bundesmarine. In 1968, therefore, AEG began developing an export weapon as SST4 (Special Surface Target), a derivative of both DM1 and DM2 but designed to be compatible with other methods of launching in addition to `swim out’ notably compressed air or ram. This entered production in the 1968 and was extensively produced, especially for the many customers of the ubiquitous Type 209 submarine.

The SST4 is an anti-surface ship weapon which can operate at depths of 2 to 100 m with two-step speed/ranges reported at 23 kt/19 n miles (36 km) and 35 kt/6 n miles (11 km). As the weapon was not allowed to incorporate the latest Bundesmarine technology it has an impact fuze and a fixed seeker which means it conducts a snake pattern search. The guidance wire permits one-way transmission from the launch platform and a few return signals, but a limited two-way capability and a supplementary magnetic fuze form the basis of the Mod 1 upgrading kit.

Operational status

STN Atlas (and its predecessors) have produced 1,600 torpedoes of which some 400 are believed to have been DM1/DM2 and 300 were SST4. Production of the DM1 ceased in 1980 while that of SST4 ceased circa 1985 but SUT remains in production in both Germany and Indonesia (under licence by IPTN). Many DM2 weapons have been upgraded and it is reported 170 DM2 A1 Mod will be upgraded to DM2 A3 standard, although production of new weapons ended in 1995. Seahake is currently being marketed. The prototype DM2 A4 has begun trials with production anticipated from 2001 and deliveries to the German Navy from late 2003. It is believed that the following navies (shown in tables I and II) have purchased STN Atlas torpedoes.

Users:
Argentina – SST4 Mod1
Ecuador – SST4
Colombia – SST4 Mod0
Greece – SST4
Peru – SST4
Turkey – SST4
Venezuela – SST4

thanks for the info on the A-184 jonesy 😎
now, what about the SST-4?
is that a new Super-Sonic-Transport-4? or some new perfume? 😀
now seriously, i cant find no info about this particular one :confused:

thanks to all 🙂
Camaro.

torpedos question

what about the
1- A-184
2- SST-4 SEAL AEG
are these any good? is their performance any decent?
my knowledge about sea matters is very limited so i humbly ask our naval gurus to enlight mi mind 😉
thanks to all
Camaro.

My country still uses the old French L7 and L9 (I think Elcan or Ecan or something), basically a piece of junk with a speed of only 35 kts and a range of a mere 9 miles.

A184 runs at 35kt? isn’t that somewhat slow? a decent SSN (688 and up) and fast surface combatant (>30kt) would be able to outrun the torpedo til it runs out of fuel, without very much advance warning. don’t ADCAP and Spearfish run above 50kt? pre-ADCAP Mk48s were already doing 40kt, and Clancy even claimed 70kt for the Spearfish! and that was in the 80s…

No Tp 2000 for Brazil

Brazil uses if IM not wrong , sweadish Torpedo2000 made under license .

The Brazilians just cancelled the contract for Tp 2000 signed with BUS in 1999, reportedly due to integration difficulties. There`s no information on the contract cancellation penalties.

Looks like the Brazilian Navy is looking with interest a t the Black Shark as replacement for current Tigerfish Mod2