TSR-2 Reborn

Duxford TSR-2 restored(again)

Have heard that the chaps at Duxford have given their big ‘2’ a refurb.Lets hope they don’t leave itout in the rain like last time!
So that now leaves the cosford example for the back engineering along with other assorted bits.Itwould also be a good opitunity to give the airframe a good corrosion proofing and repaint.

A large scale flying model would be a more approriate way to go. And use any money to build a full size Stirling

hear hear that man, the voice of reason triumphs! 🙂

If your going to back engineer an aeroplane, I’d start small and simple – maybe a miles Aerovan, Miles M2 Hawk (the first in a long line of M2 varients) and maybe an airworthy master – all made of wood. I’d also look at the Airspeed Courier and Envoy.

Just a thought

Surely there are laser measuring devices nowadays that measure and input data into a computer as the object is rotated?

Well, yes and no.
3D laser scanning is still quite new, and you would still have the costs of disassembly down to each individual part for scanning. You may still have a problem with some of the larger components, as I’m not 100% sure as to any size limitation as regards this type of scanning process.
You then have a potential compatibility problem with the software you wish to use to generate the CAD/CAM info and drawings etc., and whether it can 100% read the info from the scanning software. This is a constant industry problem I’m afraid. Not insurmountable problems of course, but of significant cost implications nonetheless.

A large scale flying model would be a more approriate way to go. And use any money to build a full size Stirling

Maybe some of our Russian friends could find them, perhaps the Kremlin kept a copy! 😀 😀 😀

I was actually refering to the term ‘bluprint’ as a media form. The method for producing a ‘blue print’ hasn’t been around for 40 odd years….. 😉

If you want TSR-2 fuselage bits, have a look around at Brooklands. A few years back all the concrete formers that were used to create the fuselage skins were still lying beneath the bushes where they were dumped all those years ago.

Anyway, it’s a nice thought but it took billions to build them in the first place. To recreate one will probably take the same amount (more or less).

For some inspiration, a guy in Canada once built a full size CF-105 Arrow replica. It might be worth a Google to see how long it took to build that!

And ‘blue prints’ wouldn’t be the end result from a state-of-the-art CAD system either 😉 …… they disappeared well over 40 years ago 😀

Maybe some of our Russian friends could find them, perhaps the Kremlin kept a copy! 😀 😀 😀

Useless FactNo.582……I once used to fly in Pazmany PL.1 G-BDHJ which was built from metal destined from production TSR2s. Didnt quite make the mark though and has to be one of the most uncomfortable aeroplanes I’ve ever been in.

Happy Landings,

Martin

Aah…if only it was that simple 😉

State of the art CAD wouldn’t save that much time or money when it comes to ‘reverse engineering’ from an existing airframe, as the big cost/time is in the human element of dismantling to each individual component and taking precise measurements etc.
Mark12’s £10m figure for a control surface is probably pretty accurate 🙂

And ‘blue prints’ wouldn’t be the end result from a state-of-the-art CAD system either 😉 …… they disappeared well over 40 years ago 😀

Surely there are laser measuring devices nowadays that measure and input data into a computer as the object is rotated?

Roger Smith.

Computer aided design(CAD) was not even thought of in the 1960’s and since computers were of the size of rooms it had no chance way back then.I propose that with state of the art CAD we back engineer the remaing airframes and components to redo the blue prints for this aircraft.The CAD approach would enable us to redesign the engine bays to take a new power plant.

Aah…if only it was that simple 😉

State of the art CAD wouldn’t save that much time or money when it comes to ‘reverse engineering’ from an existing airframe, as the big cost/time is in the human element of dismantling to each individual component and taking precise measurements etc.
Mark12’s £10m figure for a control surface is probably pretty accurate 🙂

And ‘blue prints’ wouldn’t be the end result from a state-of-the-art CAD system either 😉 …… they disappeared well over 40 years ago 😀

If you want TSR 2 bits, Cosford is the place, about 3 years ago I got to see litterally boxes and boxes (big ones too) in one of the storage hangars, all the stuff was brand new, wrapped and in original boxes, god knows what they have

I see the RAF are looking to sell some Tucano’s next year, probably need the money to keep the Harriers in Afganistan flying after their expensive repairs!! So don’t think the RAF could afford a joyride an a TSR2 at the moment otherwise the boys in blue might have been queing round the block!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I’d rather spend the £10 million putting the Hawker P1121 in the air to see if it really was as good as a Phantom!!

Aerofoil – The Russians and various other states have used the flights to supplement
their meagre defence budgets. Looking at the way the RAF is going doing the same in the U.K wouldn’t be such a bad idea!

instead!Infact let the Russians build it .They build the impossible as their AN-225 and super agile combat jets have proven.

The 225 is Ukrainian!! 🙂

A225HVY

TSR-2 Reborn Part 2

To keep costs down use of composites could be used on items such as the u/c doors,airbrakes,access panels,radome,fin and tailplane.And since it would not be a service aircraft armour protection and plumbing ,wiring for droptanks and ordinance would not be needed.Though the weaponbay would make a nice spot for a internal fuel tank.Of course airshow appearences would make some money but what about off season?Joyrides for paying customers spring to mind as the tsr-2 is a 2 seater.Don’t go to Russia for Mig flights come here instead!Infact let the Russians build it .They build the impossible as their AN-225 and super agile combat jets have proven.

With respect, £10m would barely get you one control surface. 🙂

Mark

Mark

Would that cost be only be for the drawings or tooling etc?

Cheers

Cees

Airfix are struggling to get their 1/72 scale kit together.

..hummm, i’ve often wondered if all the bits lying around, such as Brooklands nose, and Pendine wings could be gathered together for a third preserved airframe.

Although following on from the ‘scattered airframes’ thread, if nobody can do it for a Wellington, Halifax etc… then little chance i fear !! 🙁

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Could be done if the money were avaliable. The soviets cloned the B-29 back in the 1940s, without any computer help. Anyone got a spare £10million they can lend us to get a TSR-2 back in the air? 😀

With respect, £10m would barely get you one control surface. 🙂

Mark