TU-204-100 @EDI

hello there good photies;)

hello there good photies;)

Il-96-300 too did not have any huge success to mention and the IL-96-400 is still not fond live coz again the Russian cant buy them. But the regional jet affies is a bit complex as they have more than 3 good and more coming and if they dont get to international market then its Russians companies who wud be the looser

Il-96-300 too did not have any huge success to mention and the IL-96-400 is still not fond live coz again the Russian cant buy them. But the regional jet affies is a bit complex as they have more than 3 good and more coming and if they dont get to international market then its Russians companies who wud be the looser

Thanks Blackcat…..By any chance is the Tu-204 the only russian airliner which can compete with boeing or airbus???

well that need to be broken up in terms of the category of a/c….. so let me put in this way

Unlike the Airbus which is a fully civilian aircraft maker (now military too) and the boeing which started off and accumulated many other companies too ….. the Russian industry did not have aby concentrated civil a/c makers and the numerous degin Bureaus or OKB as it is said manufactured their set of a/c. In that belong the Tupolev OKB and Ilyushin OKB both of which wwere the prime movers in this field.

So for ur question as if that the one one??…. then yes and No.

Yes in the sense that the Kind of category the Tu-204 fall in the market have in the form of Airbus 320Family and the Boeing with their B757 and modified B737. And probably the only one who hd 2 a/c in the same category and the negative part can be seen with finally having to close one down.

No in the sense that they have other aircraft in there which can come into the category of any other manufacturer.

In the wide-bodied area the Russians have the Il-96 family in which the Airbus and Boeing have many set of a/c. The Il-96 was a successor to the first Russian wide-bodeied a/c IL-86, but with a shorter fuselage.

here is another Tu-204 threadstarted by me, if intrested can check out
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=33117

Thanks Blackcat…..By any chance is the Tu-204 the only russian airliner which can compete with boeing or airbus???

well that need to be broken up in terms of the category of a/c….. so let me put in this way

Unlike the Airbus which is a fully civilian aircraft maker (now military too) and the boeing which started off and accumulated many other companies too ….. the Russian industry did not have aby concentrated civil a/c makers and the numerous degin Bureaus or OKB as it is said manufactured their set of a/c. In that belong the Tupolev OKB and Ilyushin OKB both of which wwere the prime movers in this field.

So for ur question as if that the one one??…. then yes and No.

Yes in the sense that the Kind of category the Tu-204 fall in the market have in the form of Airbus 320Family and the Boeing with their B757 and modified B737. And probably the only one who hd 2 a/c in the same category and the negative part can be seen with finally having to close one down.

No in the sense that they have other aircraft in there which can come into the category of any other manufacturer.

In the wide-bodied area the Russians have the Il-96 family in which the Airbus and Boeing have many set of a/c. The Il-96 was a successor to the first Russian wide-bodeied a/c IL-86, but with a shorter fuselage.

here is another Tu-204 threadstarted by me, if intrested can check out
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=33117

I’m sure the IL-96-300 can and the proposed Russian Regional Jet but don’t expect large numbers of orders

I’m sure the IL-96-300 can and the proposed Russian Regional Jet but don’t expect large numbers of orders

Some notes on Russian engines

I’d like to tell to all those who dont know that all the Russian engine that powers the new a/c meet the Stage III norms and that include the PS-90 series, the D-30 Series (Tu-154, IL-76 and others) and the D-18 (An-124 & An-225) …… but very few ppl are intrested in the Russian stuffs and hence are ignorant and go by what they got to hear earlier abt the noise and pollution.

The D-30 series now meet the norms but not after getting all the curse and having replaced nost of that by the PS-90 series of engines.

But that said the earlier manufactured aircraft and the still flying a/c which used the old engines is coz of which u guys get to hear abt the Russian engines being noisy and smoky and has kept off from European and American air. Coz these engines have not been replaced b’coz of the obvious – finances. But that should not come in the way to understand the fact that the Russian engines makers all meet the Stage III norms and what they now lack is highter thrust engines which in the class of RR Trent series and the GE series ….

The hightest thrust engine they had was the D-18T which powers the An-124 and An-225 and the western world was no better in that period when these 230kN thrust engines was born in the erstwhile Soviet Union. It will also make u understand as to why the An-225 needed 6 engines as the most powerful engine during that period when the a/c was being designed was the D-18 engines. But after that there was practically a complete HALT on engine development and its from here that the RR and GE raced ahead of the Russian engine makers (civilian ones) in terms of higher power and more efficient engines, where as the Russian makers was badly caught up in the mess starting from 1998 which blew out in 1991 and then a long period of another decade of hardship.

Some notes on Russian engines

I’d like to tell to all those who dont know that all the Russian engine that powers the new a/c meet the Stage III norms and that include the PS-90 series, the D-30 Series (Tu-154, IL-76 and others) and the D-18 (An-124 & An-225) …… but very few ppl are intrested in the Russian stuffs and hence are ignorant and go by what they got to hear earlier abt the noise and pollution.

The D-30 series now meet the norms but not after getting all the curse and having replaced nost of that by the PS-90 series of engines.

But that said the earlier manufactured aircraft and the still flying a/c which used the old engines is coz of which u guys get to hear abt the Russian engines being noisy and smoky and has kept off from European and American air. Coz these engines have not been replaced b’coz of the obvious – finances. But that should not come in the way to understand the fact that the Russian engines makers all meet the Stage III norms and what they now lack is highter thrust engines which in the class of RR Trent series and the GE series ….

The hightest thrust engine they had was the D-18T which powers the An-124 and An-225 and the western world was no better in that period when these 230kN thrust engines was born in the erstwhile Soviet Union. It will also make u understand as to why the An-225 needed 6 engines as the most powerful engine during that period when the a/c was being designed was the D-18 engines. But after that there was practically a complete HALT on engine development and its from here that the RR and GE raced ahead of the Russian engine makers (civilian ones) in terms of higher power and more efficient engines, where as the Russian makers was badly caught up in the mess starting from 1998 which blew out in 1991 and then a long period of another decade of hardship.

Thanks Blackcat…..By any chance is the Tu-204 the only russian airliner which can compete with boeing or airbus???

Thanks Blackcat…..By any chance is the Tu-204 the only russian airliner which can compete with boeing or airbus???

Lamps,

Yes the Cairo and TNT have RR engines and so did some of the earlier Tu-204 operated by the Russian airliners. The earlier ones used to have the RB XXXXX painted on the engine side, but now its RR plating on the engines. These are the standard on the Tu-204-120 which also have western avionics.

Except for the Tu-204-120 all other Tu-204 family members are powered by the PS-90A engines

Lamps,

Yes the Cairo and TNT have RR engines and so did some of the earlier Tu-204 operated by the Russian airliners. The earlier ones used to have the RB XXXXX painted on the engine side, but now its RR plating on the engines. These are the standard on the Tu-204-120 which also have western avionics.

Except for the Tu-204-120 all other Tu-204 family members are powered by the PS-90A engines

k some more on the Tu-204 affairs

Any person outside the western propaganda machine wud get the fact that Yeltsin was selling off Russia and that also included the Tupolev OKB’s finest civilian airliner Tu-204 …. which is the most probable scenario coz of which the Tu-204 is what it is now.

The exclusive marketing rights to Tu-204 aircraft lies with an Egyptian aerospace company who signed the deal in 1996. In return they were to invest $280 million over two years into the Ulyanovsk aircraft factory, which produces TU 204-120 planes. But ever since the deal was signed in 1996 the factory has only received a mere $5 million.

Also the Aviastar company which manages the aircraft factory also was to invesr $50 million in the production of airplanes and it too failed coz of the home situation coz of which the 25 x Tu-204-120 meant for China is also threatned. The first one was to be delivered in Dec 2003. Hope the deal don get axed.

and I’d say its high time Russia withdrew from the deal and choose some other partner as its almost 9 years and what the Russians have got is a mere $5million out of the promised $280million in 2 years and also lost the right to their own aircraft for international merkets.

k some more on the Tu-204 affairs

Any person outside the western propaganda machine wud get the fact that Yeltsin was selling off Russia and that also included the Tupolev OKB’s finest civilian airliner Tu-204 …. which is the most probable scenario coz of which the Tu-204 is what it is now.

The exclusive marketing rights to Tu-204 aircraft lies with an Egyptian aerospace company who signed the deal in 1996. In return they were to invest $280 million over two years into the Ulyanovsk aircraft factory, which produces TU 204-120 planes. But ever since the deal was signed in 1996 the factory has only received a mere $5 million.

Also the Aviastar company which manages the aircraft factory also was to invesr $50 million in the production of airplanes and it too failed coz of the home situation coz of which the 25 x Tu-204-120 meant for China is also threatned. The first one was to be delivered in Dec 2003. Hope the deal don get axed.

and I’d say its high time Russia withdrew from the deal and choose some other partner as its almost 9 years and what the Russians have got is a mere $5million out of the promised $280million in 2 years and also lost the right to their own aircraft for international merkets.

Yes they do and are Tu-204-120 (Passenger) and Tu-204-120C (Cargo) versions. Presumabley to meet EU noise restrictions?

Thanks Humberside that certainly makes sense, as Russian built engines are definitely quite noisy

Yes they do and are Tu-204-120 (Passenger) and Tu-204-120C (Cargo) versions. Presumabley to meet EU noise restrictions?

Thanks Humberside that certainly makes sense, as Russian built engines are definitely quite noisy

Is it me of does the Cairo Aviation and TNT Tu’s have Rolls Royce engines ?????

Yes they do and are Tu-204-120 (Passenger) and Tu-204-120C (Cargo) versions. Presumabley to meet EU noise restrictions?

Is it me of does the Cairo Aviation and TNT Tu’s have Rolls Royce engines ?????

Yes they do and are Tu-204-120 (Passenger) and Tu-204-120C (Cargo) versions. Presumabley to meet EU noise restrictions?