Two WW2 Types extinct ?

I disagree, the location is known, photos have been taken and negotiations have been undertaken by a national museum, which due to policy changes, were eventually abandoned.
Same can’t be said for a Stirling

“It’s a bit like saying the Stirling isn’t extinct because somewhere there are substantial remains”
Like next to Kasfereet Air base in the Canal Zone……………
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Dave…until it’s recovered, it’s extinct…for all practical purposes.
Does anyone know if it’s still there?

It’s a bit like saying the Stirling isn’t extinct because somewhere there are substantial remains…of course we don’t know where it is and it’s too far gone to be practical, but somewhere one does exist.

Rather like the aeronautical equivalent of Schrödinger’s cat. 🙂

Yes saw the thread when it was new. It just sounded as if there was some more info?

Steve

Old forum thread on Maryland survivor with picture on post #29

BW-372 is indeed a genuine example, but the conservation work was performed at the Finnish AF Museum.

Interesting Dave. Would you like to elaborate on that?

Steve

Unfortunatly the replica in the Netherlands is dismantled and in storage again. The new museum likes tanks etc. more than aeroplanes.

John

The Maryland isn’t, if you know someone who wants to jump though hoops and doesn’t know what a ‘too hard basket’ is, let me know.

Every time I see a Buffalo I’m taken aback by its size. Looks incredibly close-coupled.

Good to see it on display in Finland.

Not many operational American types from WWII are extinct, but sadly the Martin Maryland and Baltimore are. The Marauder and Mariner come very close.

DoraNineFan thank you for posting that photo, as said above I’m surprised if that’s the wooden one, and if you were going to the trouble of such a build, why would you not show it as a complete ready to fly aircraft ?

Jules

BV-372 is a genuine example. The conservation work was performed at the National Museum of Naval Aviation.

DoraNineFan thank you for posting that photo, as said above I’m surprised if that’s the wooden one, and if you were going to the trouble of such a build, why would you not show it as a complete ready to fly aircraft ?

Jules

TT – if that’s the worthless wooden one, it looks pretty nice to me!

The Buffalo looks great – thanks for posting the pic

http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/9/8/7/1899789.jpg?v=v40

I’d have to disagree, it looks the part to my mind and if it helps to illustrate a forgotten corner of history (i.e. R.NethAF defence of Indonesia/New Guinea) it cannot but be worthwhile. It’s not like you can just go out and trip over genuine Buffalos lying around!

The replica in Netherlands is a wooden one, rather sorry looking to my mind. AFAIK Cradle of Aviation Museum volunteers in Long Island, NY made that one plus another one for their own museum. Personally, I think the worth of such wooden replicas is somewhere between zero and nothing. Finnish AF museum also has the prototype of copy of Brewster 239 made in Finland towards the end of the war, called VL Humu. Essentially a Brewster 239 with a wooden wing. The real Brewster, BW-372 is actually not a “Buffalo” but a Brewster 239, as it was known in Finnish AF.

The Buffalo is on loan from NNMA, it is not a bitsa, it is the genuine article. Plenty of info about it on the interweb

I’d never heard of the smuggling attempt. They’ve done a great job and it seems fitting it remains in Finland.

There was a Buffalo raised from a lake in Finland about 20 years ago. It disappeared at the time. Rumour was it went to Ireland. I don’t know what happened after that.

The Finnish Buffalo BV-372 was raised intact from a lake in Russia. It was “exported” (some accounts say smuggled) to Ireland for a private businessman, including literally sawing the plane in half to fit into a shipping crate. It was eventually obtained by the US Navy and is preserved to static display in Finland, although you can still see the saw line behind the cockpit.
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The Libyan desert if I remember correctly.