Type rated aircraft for LCY

i have a got a pic of the New building which is right in front of the main spotting area next to Car Park and i think that will be the Gates for the A318’s although I’m not too sure. Photo taken during the LCY Fun day.

What aircraft did the original test flying into London City? I was told it was the DHC-6 Twin Otter? If this true I’d love to know as I remember being asked when I took the Twin Otter in there in November 2006 whether we could do 7 degree approaches in there. Quiet ironic I thought but in the end we didn’t need the runway for what we were doing so it was useless to meet the approach requirements.
I’d be fascinated to hear if anyone can shed some light on this!

Cheers,

Walu

The DHC-7 was the aircrat which was used for test flying, and indeed was the only commercial airliner permitted at first. There are some great pics from those days in the LCY offices. I remember having a discussion with an old manager from Brymon who was on the first landing on the dock..which was before it was an airport, and was just a cleared site. This was done to prove the concept to aid the proposal for an airport.

What aircraft did the original test flying into London City? I was told it was the DHC-6 Twin Otter? If this true I’d love to know as I remember being asked when I took the Twin Otter in there in November 2006 whether we could do 7 degree approaches in there. Quiet ironic I thought but in the end we didn’t need the runway for what we were doing so it was useless to meet the approach requirements.
I’d be fascinated to hear if anyone can shed some light on this!

Cheers,

Walu

From the London City Airport Consultative Committee website…

ATR 42
BAe 146/Avro RJ family
Jetstream 41
DHC Dash 7
Bombardier Q Series/DHC Dash 8
Dornier Fairchild 228
Dornier Fairchild Do328
Dornier Fairchild Do328 Jet
Embraer 135
Fokker 50
Fokker 70
Saab 340
Saab 2000
Shorts 360-300

Approved business jets…

BE20 Beechcraft 200

Just before Mr/Ms Pedant comes along, please note that the London City Airport Consultative Committee website just refers to business aircraft rather than as our helpful friend mentioned above as obviously the list starts with a prop driven aircraft.

:);)

Thank you for the information Garry & rdc1000 😎

James

The new apron is not exclusively for the A318s. Four new stands have been created, and these are the only stands which can be used for the A318.

Hi James

The new aprons are sitting above the water carried on piles driven down in to the dock bed

Hi All,

Am I right in saying that they have started making a new apron for the A318 and that this apron will be floating in the dock?

James

The runway preformance of the ERJ-145 is not actually very good, and you’ll notice the CRJ-100/200 is not on the list for the same reason.

The A318 will be certified for full operations when the time comes. This could lead to some operators such as Air France bringing the aircraft into LCY, there may be some weight penalties, but of course most European routes would not require full fuel loads, and there will be no freight carried.

It is not a simple comparison between the ERJ145 and the A318, take the 767/777 as comparitors. At one airport I know, the 767 could not operate from Europe to the US West Coast with a full load under certain hot weather conditions, but the larger 777 could, because it has more powerful engines, and different take off characteristics, despite being a heavier aircrtaft. I’m not completely certain of the techinal element, but my guess is that the wing size of the ERJ is one of the factors, and therefore the characteristics of the A318 wing and power, by compairons to it’s size/weight are different.

Although some of the types listed are permitted to use LCY, there may be restrictions on them. For example, the Jetstream 41 needs aspecial switch to allow the necessary glideslopes to operate to LCY. As I understand it, only the ex BA Regional aircraft had these switches installed, and so the majority of the fleet cannot get into LCY.

The Embraer 170 has now received it’s approval for LCY, and the ERJ 190 will also go on the list over time. The 175 and 195 will not be able to operate however. Bombardier propose that their C-series aircraft will be designed to operate at LCY. Over time these two aircraft families and the A318 will be the significant players at LCY.

Martin43 Many thanks for posting the extensive list, it was interesting to see.
LCY must be the last major haven/hub for passenger BAE146?
I also understand that the largest aircraft to have landed at LCY was a DC-6 this summer, nice to see that the qirport authorities (or CAA) have a bit of flexibility.

Most ERJ145s don’t have reverse thrust so that could be a factor, i’m not too sure though.

Reverse thrust is never actually factored into the stopping distance of an aircraft when assessing its suitability to operate from airports. If an aircraft can’t safely land at an airport without using reverse, it won’t be allowed to land there at all.

Paul

What about the A318 then, compared to the ERJ145? Does the A318 have better STOL characteristics, or is it that the A318 would be in a VIP config and as such have a reduced number of pax compared to, say, a typical ERJ145 layout?

Judas,

I think the A318 is pretty much VIP config, not to mention it will route via Shannon on the outbound sector so it won’t be atall heavy.

Most ERJ145s don’t have reverse thrust so that could be a factor, i’m not too sure though.

@FlyMonarch – I would think that the limiting factor would the payload you could lift off the LCY runway with the Embraer 145 – severely restricted pasyload/range or both. I don’t think that the Embraer 135 is all to efficient for LCY operations anyway.

What about the A318 then, compared to the ERJ145? Does the A318 have better STOL characteristics, or is it that the A318 would be in a VIP config and as such have a reduced number of pax compared to, say, a typical ERJ145 layout?

Quick Question!!
why can the Embraer 145 not get into LCY? surely its simular in size to DASH8400 and Saab 2000? is it just because it hasnt got the steep approach? could the 145 get into LCY?

From the London City Airport Consultative Committee website…

ATR 42
BAe 146/Avro RJ family
Jetstream 41
DHC Dash 7
Bombardier Q Series/DHC Dash 8
Dornier Fairchild 228
Dornier Fairchild Do328
Dornier Fairchild Do328 Jet
Embraer 135
Fokker 50
Fokker 70
Saab 340
Saab 2000
Shorts 360-300

Approved business jets…

BE20 Beechcraft 200
BE9L Beechcraft 900
BE58 PA Beechcraft Baron
C90/C90A Beechcraft
B300 Beechcraft
Beech 400A
Hawker 800 XP
C510 (Citation Mustang)
C550 (II) (Citation II)
C560 (Citation V)
C525 CJ1 (Citation Jet 1)
C525 CJ2 (Citation Jet 2)
C525 CJ3 (Citation Jet 3)
C550 (Citation Bravo)
C56X (Citation Excel)
EMB 135BJ (Legacy)
FA900B (subject to individual ability to complete public transport factored landing distances)
FA10 (Falcon 10)
FA50 (Falcon 50)
F7X (Falcon 7X)
F900EX (Falcon 900EX)
Bombardier Challenger 605 (CL60)
Learjet 45 (LJ45)
PA34 (Seneca)
PA31 (Navajo)
P180 (Piaggio Avanti)

http://www.lcacc.org/aircraft/index.html