In view of what has happened to these, and indeed other School children, and many other incidents that have taken place, involving the use of Shotguns and Section 1 Firearms.do you think that any individual should be allowed to own seemingly as many weapons as they like?.in the U.S.A.
Personaly, I think the 2nd should be fine tuned, to allow anyone to own the minimum of weapons they REALY need, And all weapons be kept in a secure place within the owners property, or at a gun club, where they are secure.
Should they adopt the same rules and regs as we have here in the U.K.
The other week, I was watching a U.S.A. program where a family business purchased and sold, also traded weapons, and one chap brought to them a pristine GATLING gun he wanted to sell, need I say more?.
What are members views on gun ownership in the States?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: Lincoln 7 - 9th February 2014 at 18:09
I could do with a weapon at the moment, just one that shoots ONE shot will do.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: trumper - 9th February 2014 at 16:57
No for those you have to go to Suicide is Us.
Blimey ,you have a shop for that as well 🙂
By: RpR - 9th February 2014 at 05:50
I will hazard an educated guess, “Buy gun A here because it is better at killing you than gun B, we have a sale on 20% off and 10 dollars for trading in your old one. 🙂 Sorry madam ,the babies nappies and clothes are in the next aisle.”
No for those you have to go to Suicide is Us.
By: RpR - 9th February 2014 at 05:49
😮 not working here,it even tried redirecting me but that didn’t work either Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to www.subguns.com
It worked for me.
Maybe your server has some firearm site blocking device.
One place I go to has that on their free wifi but oddly I cannot open places selling vegetable seeds either.
By: Arabella-Cox - 8th February 2014 at 21:34
We have a serious (and un-acknowledged by the rest of the world) problem in South Africa. A huge number of stolen or sold police and military weapons are in the hands of thugs. In addition to those weapons, a staggering amount of weapons e.g. AK-47 and similar brought in by ex-military refugees from Zimbabwe and Mozambique who sell them for food money. Up to 20,000 murders per year committed with these weapons, and a huge number against ageing Boer farmers who are very vulnerable as they are isolated. A characteristic of these murders is the fact that the farmers are often tortured and killed without provocation. Many cash-in transit heists and affluent shopping centers. Usually by gangs of 10 -15 all heavily armed. Our government does nothing and in any event is totally incompetent, so the man on the street is left to his own defenses. The government has made us all go through an extremely complicated process to keep privately owned firearms, which incidentally cause but a fraction of the the violence. We all had to take written exams in firearm law, demonstrate proficiency in shooting, provide proof of a gun safe installed in the house and had a background security check (interviews with family, acquaintances). The homicide rate with legally owned firearms is very low as a result, with the exception of Oscar Pistorius who is going to serve time I am quite sure. It is easy to say “gun free society” and that is possible in highly civilized countries but impractical elsewhere. Not well understood if you haven’t been there and got the T-shirt mates. I have 5 years military and police experience.
By: trumper - 8th February 2014 at 20:57
I will hazard an educated guess, “Buy gun A here because it is better at killing you than gun B, we have a sale on 20% off and 10 dollars for trading in your old one. 🙂 Sorry madam ,the babies nappies and clothes are in the next aisle.”
By: Arabella-Cox - 8th February 2014 at 20:24
Yeah, I tried to open it several times but no-go.
By: trumper - 8th February 2014 at 20:12
For your viewing pleasure:
😮 not working here,it even tried redirecting me but that didn’t work either Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to www.subguns.com
By: ZRX61 - 22nd January 2014 at 19:16
Remember what I said about cops being dangerous idiots with firearm safety? This one has shot himself twice…
By: Creaking Door - 17th January 2014 at 15:21
Well it may not have been ‘Cowboys and [Native Americans]’ as it was shown in the movies but I do not think that you can underestimate the cultural significance of guns in United States history, particularly with those who are (or associate themselves with) descendents of those that really did ‘win the West’.
Maybe that is part of the mindset of the gun-owner in the United States today; the isolated ‘pale-face’ homesteader defending himself, his family, ‘his’ land and his way of life, surrounded by marauding ‘non-pale-faces’ with different religions, cultures and politics. Culturally (historically and in the movies anyway) all he can rely on is himself, his trusty Winchester Rifle and the other homesteaders!
I do not think that attitude it is something that we in the United Kingdom can understand, because we have not experienced it, and I think it is something that we are perhaps too quick to criticize when we see it in others.
I also think that whatever your cultural background in the United States you can find a convenient historical media stereotype that reinforces the significance of the gun; Native American, Mafia or any other gang-culture to suit a particular ethnicity.
By: Lincoln 7 - 17th January 2014 at 08:56
How times change!!. When I watch ont telly the “Cowboys and Indians” in “Ye good ole days”, the Cowboy only had one, (Some had two) handguns, and the good ole Winchester 73.
Can you imagine the same scenario today?, he would be pulling a horse and cart loaded with AKA 47s, big game rifles. The mind boggles.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: RpR - 16th January 2014 at 04:23
So, everybody has the potential for good, and everybody has the potential for evil…
…and everybody (in the United States anyway) has the right to bear arms.
No cause for concern there then!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Nope, unless one is paranoid.
By: Creaking Door - 15th January 2014 at 21:30
So, everybody has the potential for good, and everybody has the potential for evil…
…and everybody (in the United States anyway) has the right to bear arms.
No cause for concern there then!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
By: RpR - 15th January 2014 at 20:43
I am afraid in any given circumstance EVERY person is capable of being nasty.
That is correct, that is basic human nature that never actually changes but as I said seems to flux.
There are some with absolute control over it and some who simply do not give damn about other people to the point of enjoying others misery, at the extremes.
By: trumper - 15th January 2014 at 15:59
When societies are at their most naive and apathetic, thinking such things as –no one would ever do x,y or z because people are basically good — reality slaps them in the face and shows that human nature may flux, but it does not ever actually change and part of it is always just plain nasty.
I am afraid in any given circumstance EVERY person is capable of being nasty.I have to deal with really nasty people at times ,if my teenagers ever spoke to anyone the way some of these “nice,professional people” deal with people i would give them such a dressing down.
People are nice when things are going their way or not in pain or hungry or threatened.
By: RpR - 15th January 2014 at 15:36
Guess it may have something to do with the NRA donating so much money to their different State Senators?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
Not likely, but if the general populace is so moronically ignorant that they could be gullible enough to let Washington change one of the founding Father’s additions to the Constitution then than God for the NRA and any other organization that prevents it.
By: Lincoln 7 - 15th January 2014 at 10:29
The 2nd CAN be amended. All that is needed is to pass a new amendment to the constitution that would supersede the 2nd. (however in the political climate in this country today that is…………unlikely to happen……to say the least.)
Guess it may have something to do with the NRA donating so much money to their different State Senators?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: RpR - 14th January 2014 at 23:50
You may be right about the influence of the media; few gun-homicides in the United States (or anywhere else for that matter) make the news in the United Kingdom unless it is a school shooting-spree or involves somebody famous.
When the second amendment was adopted in 1791 I don’t suppose there were many shooting-sprees; somebody may have tried but it would be very difficult with a flint-lock musket! Human nature may not have changed but the weapons certainly have.
And maybe ‘normal’ human nature has changed; many of us now live in large anonymous cities where we don’t know our neighbours and are more likely to spend time conversing with somebody on the other side of the planet via the internet that talking to somebody in our own street. Maybe, under these circumstances, something fundamental has changed in human nature; maybe, under these circumstances, the ‘reasons’ for these shooting-sprees are more common?
I would not call it change per se, rather humanity has peaks and valleys.
When societies are at their most naive and apathetic, thinking such things as –no one would ever do x,y or z because people are basically good — reality slaps them in the face and shows that human nature may flux, but it does not ever actually change and part of it is always just plain nasty.
By: hawkdriver05 - 14th January 2014 at 16:29
The 2nd CAN be amended. All that is needed is to pass a new amendment to the constitution that would supersede the 2nd. (however in the political climate in this country today that is…………unlikely to happen……to say the least.)
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