just a general post i suppose, wondered whether or not the UK charter carriers that have done or is operating the A330 are generally pleased with their presence in the fleet?
Everythings accepted here: operational issues flight/cabin crew wise, performance issues on specific sectors – just whatever you guys can muster-up.
Similarly, does anyone ever know what happened to the A330 orders placed by Leisure International prior to their Air 2000 / First Choice integration? I’m pretty sure they were ordered somewhere not too far into the A330 programme, slated as future 767-300ER replacements. Don’t quote me though, like i said – i’m not too sure!!!
cheers,
LGKR
By: wysiwyg - 16th February 2004 at 10:57
Yes
By: green320 - 16th February 2004 at 10:37
Are you a TCX employee Wysiwig?
By: wysiwyg - 16th February 2004 at 10:34
Matthew – I can’t see an A330 with incompatible engines to the current fleet being taken on. Even if an RR one becomes available the leasing agreement still needs to be favourable for both parties for it to be signed.
Green – I’m talking about TCX (identifiable by the fact I mentioned it being a third A330, a type FCA doesn’t operate). 763’s could come from Condor but I wouldn’t place any bets on it. Freshly negotiated leases are very affordable these days. I reckon most 763’s would be available for a fraction of the price we must currently be tied into for our 752’s.
By: green320 - 16th February 2004 at 08:40
Wysiwig, which are you talking about, TCX or FCA. If TCX go for 763s(I don’t personally agree with this having had a bad experience on two of them) then they will come from Thomas Cook(Condor) won’t they? It is easier to find stored 763s than 332s isn’t it.
By: wysiwyg - 15th February 2004 at 12:39
Ren – I don’t know the exact situation with the leases but I imagine there is probably some sort of hours flown per day element which makes short sectors with more turnarounds less viable than long periods of time airborne with the occasional stint on the ground.
Green 320 – If a third 330 can be found then the 330 fleet will remain in place. If they can’t find a third 330 they will get a 767 which will then force a decision as to whether to go all 767 for long haul or a mix of 330 and 767. Personally I believe that if the third long haul aircraft is a 767 then the 330’s will go.
By: andrewm - 15th February 2004 at 10:44
Would have thought leasing ££££ would be set price each month or is it because long haul routes have less cycles put on airframe therefore not reducing the life expectancy as much as doing short haul routes would?
By: Ren Frew - 14th February 2004 at 21:31
Originally posted by wysiwyg
The only problem with the TCX A330’s is that the leasing terms are set up too much biased towards long haul operations which makes it very expensive to use as a high capacity people mover for short haul.
Could you elaborate on that a little Wys, how do the leasing terms make it a more viable long hauler ?
By: green320 - 14th February 2004 at 21:24
That is certainly true of two particular 763s of AMM. One is still with them, the other is at Aeris. They were the most uncomfortable flights ever and it was a 9 hour flight.
By: steve rowell - 14th February 2004 at 21:19
That’s the edict of most Charter or leisure airlines isn’t it, cram em in as tight as you can!!!!!!
By: green320 - 14th February 2004 at 07:50
On Jethros, it says it is possible the TCX 332s could be leaving the fleet.
By: wysiwyg - 14th February 2004 at 01:14
Cabin crew like working on the TCX A330’s but that’s probably more down to the fact that it means they are going on a long haul trip.
The only problem with the TCX A330’s is that the leasing terms are set up too much biased towards long haul operations which makes it very expensive to use as a high capacity people mover for short haul.
By: robc - 14th February 2004 at 00:02
Is it a 3-3-3?
By: SOFTLAD - 13th February 2004 at 23:48
Without going into too much depth at this time on a friday night…. Airtours/MyTravel crew hate our A330-200’s with a passion !! Its the worst aircraft to work on i have ever known. Nothing to do with Airbus just the way Airtours asked it to be configured.
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