[updated:LAST EDITED ON 07-09-02 AT 06:20 PM (GMT)]I was just thinking, isn’t it about time the UN reforms its sec. council, which still is a leftover from the Cold War (if not, the second world war). Now the UNSC consists of 5 nations which decide everything, and some unimportant temporary members who have no vote or veto. (OK, they have a vote, but one veto will block everything).
I think there’s one European country, at least that should give up it’s seat in the UNSC. Which country that would be, I don’t know yet, but I think the UK would be best. Maybe they can make a deal with the United States and promis that they’ll agree with everything the US decides, much like they do now actually. Or they could just move their ambassador directly to the white house :D.
France should be a good candidate to keep the seat, but I think it would be even better if we could use the EU to do this. Or the country that holds the rotating EU-presidency should also seat in the UNSC. Wouldn’t that be a better idea, since France and Britain together don’t even count for 2,5 % of the world population, but still have a stake of 40 % in the UNSC.
I also think there should be new permament members in it: Brazil (there’s no single Latin-American country in the UNSC so far), South Africa, India, Egypt or Jordan (to represent the Arab countries), Indonesia (4th largest country in the world, population).
Does anyone share my point of view? Comments please.
PS This is not to piss of the British, I just think the way the UNSC is formed today is unfair and totally outdated.
By: keltic - 21st September 2002 at 14:08
RE: UN security council
UN forces should have real power to make UN resolutions to be fullfilled.
By: plawolf - 21st September 2002 at 13:46
RE: UN security council
whats the matter cyrus? couldnt find any intellegent way of countering my last post so u just ignore it and change the subject? makes scence though, as u seem to be in denial abt quite a few other things.
another thing, im not a member of the communist party, and even if i were, i would only need to read the CCP handbook once,if there is such a thing. we are a few decades past Mao’s time, or did u block that out too. }>
keltic,
somehow i dont think that will be a very good idea, especially if the veto is to stay. its already hard enough to come up with proposals that is ok with all five members, if u throw in another dozen or so, the task will be practically impossible.
the only way the system u mentioned is to work is if the veto is abolished and a decomcaratic voting system is put in place instead. the UN will also need to have some serious military powers to be able to make its voice count. if that happens, then the UN will finally be a ture force for good in this world, instead of being just a showcase as it is now.
but we know thats not going to happen anytime soon. so i maintain my view that the UN is just a waste of time and money at the momnet, and in the forseeable future.
By: keltic - 21st September 2002 at 10:56
RE: UN security council
I feel that these forum is deteriorating dramatically. I have never read such “refreshing” and interesting answers. I don´t know if it´s a question of ignorance, childness, brainless, or simply lack of travelling to perceive other realities. As far as the topic is concerned; I think the UN security council, as a usuful forum for the world´s people be heard, and as the only way some countries express their feeling, is an esential thing to keep peace and stability in this selfish world. All countries should represented, but as blocks not as single countries. So I propose a seat for the US as the most powerful country, China as the most populated one, Russia still a superpower, the EU, the Arab Leage, the African League and probably Mercosur or something which represent South America…..any other realities should be represented but I don´t know why. I feel the UN won´t be respected, as far as we look for greed and not for justice.
By: Arabella-Cox - 20th September 2002 at 06:05
RE: UN security council
“Hahahaha…your replies are weak and lack substance…exactly what I expected from a European.
I think its time for you to break out your old, faithful “white flag” Eurowuss…its time for you to surrender this debate. “
I have never been to Europe.
By: Geforce - 19th September 2002 at 21:59
RE: UN security council
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 19-09-02 AT 10:02 PM (GMT)]It’s the first time the EU had any peacekeeping operation, more will follow once will get Eurocorps operational.
By: Cyrus_666 - 19th September 2002 at 20:46
RE: god
plawolf….shouldn’t you be spending more time studying your CCP handbook and less time surfing the “outlawed” Internet? }>
By: Cyrus_666 - 19th September 2002 at 20:44
RE: reply, post 41, Garry
“Yeah, but that’s not totally true. Remember it were the € who started the job and not the $. Spanish legions starked killing Indians already in the 16th century, and many have died from the flue the Spanish brought with them.”
Thanks for not making me point that out. 😉
“Hmm, replace the word “American” troops by the word “American” bombs. The Euros have send lots of peacekeepers of NATO and the UN. It’s only in the first stage that we really needed the help of the US. In fact, the EU is going to take over the job from NATO in a little while, like it has already done so in Macedonia.”
Let us pray the Macedonians fair much better than the Bosnians did under your protection.
By: Cyrus_666 - 19th September 2002 at 20:03
RE: UN security council
Hahahaha…your replies are weak and lack substance…exactly what I expected from a European.
I think its time for you to break out your old, faithful “white flag” Eurowuss…its time for you to surrender this debate. 😛
By: plawolf - 19th September 2002 at 19:46
RE: god
boodly hell, are u even a yank cyrus? because even though the brits invented english, most americans use it to communicate, but u seem to be having a few problems with using english.
>”i would not be happy with u representing ‘my’ country”
>Neither would I, seeing how I’m American…NOT Chinese.
my original sentence was: “if i was an american, i would not be happy with u representing ‘my’ countery.”
if u still have problems understanding what i mean, go and ask ur daddy or sth, cos i dont have time to teach u english. }>
By: Geforce - 19th September 2002 at 07:06
reply, post 41, Garry
<< You seem to be giving NATO a lot more credit than it deserves…just replace “NATO” with “American Forces” and you’ll be correct…if the Euro troops left, no one would notice. >>
Hmm, replace the word “American” troops by the word “American” bombs. The Euros have send lots of peacekeepers of NATO and the UN. It’s only in the first stage that we really needed the help of the US. In fact, the EU is going to take over the job from NATO in a little while, like it has already done so in Macedonia.
<< At least those “cheeky” Indians were brave warriors…unlike the Euros who would rather make appeasement with psychopathetic leaders like Hitler and Hussein rather than confront them from the beginning. >>
Maybe because that leader has helped rebuild German economy, reunited German families, installed many public services? The average Euro (you seem to use the word Euro as a population, can I call you dollar?) didn’t know what was going to happen untill 1939, when Hitler attacked Polen. With WWI fresh in memory the leaders were not that happy going into a new war, maybe they should have, but who was the last one to join the coalition? Who still did not declare war on Hitler was French, British and Belgian soldiers were dying on the battlefield???
<< yes that may explain why I’d give my left penis to be normal. >>
LOL
<< Yes and for their bravery you massacred them and coralled the reminants in concentration camps to finish them off with whitemans fire water and low self esteem… just as well for them they were stronger than the white man has become in your country. (Mogadishu ring any bells?). >>
Yeah, but that’s not totally true. Remember it were the € who started the job and not the $. Spanish legions starked killing Indians already in the 16th century, and many have died from the flue the Spanish brought with them.
By: Arabella-Cox - 19th September 2002 at 02:22
RE: UN security council
“Hmmmm…ever heard of oil? Then again, being the innovative country that we are we could always develop an alternative to that too. “
Gee do you mean synthetic oil like the Germans were making in WWII or a real alternative like Hydrogen?
“Yeah, you’re right…that nuclear cloud would just sit right over the site it was dropped on. Hmmm…NOT! “
Yes those devastating nuclear clouds like the ones from US testing in the Pacific or French testing in the Pacific or British testing in Australia… yes that may explain why I’d give my left penis to be normal.
“You seem to be giving NATO a lot more credit than it deserves…just replace “NATO” with “American Forces” and you’ll be correct…if the Euro troops left, no one would notice. “
Of course they’d notice… there wouldn’t be any decent troops there anymore… just thugs and rapists.
“Are you saying that those “certain people” were not guilty of the crimes levied against them? “
Yes… damn stupid of me… I forgot about you trial by media and guilty till proven guilty laws in the US. Not to mention being held without trial… you don’t even cross your fingers when you talk about China’s appaling record on those very same points.
“If so, than you are even more of a dullard than I had originally thought.”
You didn’t respect the Vietnamese either… till it was time to leave.
“It is America that currently keeps Taiwan from officially announcing its independence from the mainland…not Chicom bullying. Do just a modicum of research on the subject and you will find that I’m correct and you are not.”
Ahh so it is the US that is keeping Taiwan as a part of a communist country, denying them the right to independance… yet you can kick China’s A$$ any day of the week… makes sence to me…
“Is that so? Hmmmm…let me see…the North has over 1 million troops and 10,000 pieces of artillery (and thats just what is poised directly across the border, not in reserve)…while the South has 450,000 troops and 6,000 pieces of artillery. Guess that shoots a big fat hole in your “every area and category” theory huh? “
Of course… than now puts China back at the top of the most powerful nations list and probably puts India second.
“At least those “cheeky” Indians were brave warriors…unlike the Euros who would rather make appeasement with psychopathetic leaders like Hitler and Hussein rather than confront them from the beginning. “
Yes and for their bravery you massacred them and coralled the reminants in concentration camps to finish them off with whitemans fire water and low self esteem… just as well for them they were stronger than the white man has become in your country. (Mogadishu ring any bells?).
By: Cyrus_666 - 18th September 2002 at 22:17
RE: UN security council
>Yes because the US exports everything we in the rest of the
>world need to survive, while you import nothing from
>anywhere.
Hmmmm…ever heard of oil? Then again, being the innovative country that we are we could always develop an alternative to that too. 😉
>So what a glowing Middle East… Why should I care whether
>they kill each other slowly like they are now even with US
>diplomatic help or quickly with a few nukes?
Yeah, you’re right…that nuclear cloud would just sit right over the site it was dropped on. Hmmm…NOT!
>Yes… America solved all of the problems there… NOT.
>The most recent problems in Kosovo would have been better
>sorted out if they had been left alone. Right now they are
>in the same position as when Tito took over… lots of
>groupd very unhappy… except Tito is replaced by NATO
>troops. When Tito or NATO leave guess what is going to
>happen. Gee whiz that US diplomacy is great stuff for
>lightly glossing over problems so we can pretend we have
>done something about a problem. You’ve got Slobodan
>Milosovic… he was the problem I’m sure you were right and
>everything will be hugs and kisses in the Balkans when NATO
>pulls out.
You seem to be giving NATO a lot more credit than it deserves…just replace “NATO” with “American Forces” and you’ll be correct…if the Euro troops left, no one would notice. 😉
>Yes, they have no self control… those little children.
>Just as well Colin Powell was able to leap in there and show
>them that the correct response to terrorism was dialog… I
>think he was telling them this just as the US bombed the
>hell out of Afghanistan because the leaders of that country
>wouldn’t hand over certain people without any proof of
>anything being showed to them. (Just like America does all
>the time… Castro says give me John Doe and he’s on the
>next plane to Havana…)
Are you saying that those “certain people” were not guilty of the crimes levied against them? If so, than you are even more of a dullard than I had originally thought.
>Yes this shows you intimate knowledge of world affairs…
>this is why the US is so powerful… their understanding of
>the parties involved.
>China has said it will only invade Taiwan if Taiwan decided
>to become independant. If you think they are bluffing why do
>you think Taiwan isn’t independant some many years after
>they seperated from the mainland? Of course US citizens all
>know much more about the situation than those dumb Taiwanese
>people…
Actually, it shows how little you know of the China/Taiwan situation. It is America that currently keeps Taiwan from officially announcing its independence from the mainland…not Chicom bullying. Do just a modicum of research on the subject and you will find that I’m correct and you are not.
>The South has an economy 20 times bigger than the North. It
>also has a significantly more powerful armed force in every
>area and category.
>The North would probably be happy just surviving.
Is that so? Hmmmm…let me see…the North has over 1 million troops and 10,000 pieces of artillery (and thats just what is poised directly across the border, not in reserve)…while the South has 450,000 troops and 6,000 pieces of artillery. Guess that shoots a big fat hole in your “every area and category” theory huh? 😉
>Such modesty surely the whole world will collapse quicker
>than that… I mean look at the empty void that existed
>before America was found? (I am talking here about found by
>white people… not those cheeky Indians that had the
>temerity to get there first… still you showed them…)
At least those “cheeky” Indians were brave warriors…unlike the Euros who would rather make appeasement with psychopathetic leaders like Hitler and Hussein rather than confront them from the beginning. }>
By: Arabella-Cox - 18th September 2002 at 06:47
RE: UN security council
“Never forget, America can survive far longer without the world than the world can without America.”
Yes because the US exports everything we in the rest of the world need to survive, while you import nothing from anywhere.
“Want a few good examples? Israel would be attacked by almost every Arab/Muslim neighbor and forced to use their nukes in self defense….”
So what a glowing Middle East… Why should I care whether they kill each other slowly like they are now even with US diplomatic help or quickly with a few nukes?
“the Balkans would descend back into chaos”
Yes… America solved all of the problems there… NOT.
The most recent problems in Kosovo would have been better sorted out if they had been left alone. Right now they are in the same position as when Tito took over… lots of groupd very unhappy… except Tito is replaced by NATO troops. When Tito or NATO leave guess what is going to happen. Gee whiz that US diplomacy is great stuff for lightly glossing over problems so we can pretend we have done something about a problem. You’ve got Slobodan Milosovic… he was the problem I’m sure you were right and everything will be hugs and kisses in the Balkans when NATO pulls out.
“India and Pakistan would be nuking each other…”
Yes, they have no self control… those little children. Just as well Colin Powell was able to leap in there and show them that the correct response to terrorism was dialog… I think he was telling them this just as the US bombed the hell out of Afghanistan because the leaders of that country wouldn’t hand over certain people without any proof of anything being showed to them. (Just like America does all the time… Castro says give me John Doe and he’s on the next plane to Havana…)
“.and China would be attacking Taiwan….”
Yes this shows you intimate knowledge of world affairs… this is why the US is so powerful… their understanding of the parties involved.
China has said it will only invade Taiwan if Taiwan decided to become independant. If you think they are bluffing why do you think Taiwan isn’t independant some many years after they seperated from the mainland? Of course US citizens all know much more about the situation than those dumb Taiwanese people…
“..North Korea would be attacking South Korea…”
The South has an economy 20 times bigger than the North. It also has a significantly more powerful armed force in every area and category.
The North would probably be happy just surviving.
“all of this within 15 mins of America withdrawing from our diplomatic obligations and becoming isolationist.”
Such modesty surely the whole world will collapse quicker than that… I mean look at the empty void that existed before America was found? (I am talking here about found by white people… not those cheeky Indians that had the temerity to get there first… still you showed them…)
By: Cyrus_666 - 17th September 2002 at 21:02
RE: reply to post 36, Cyrus
hey there Ge…nice to see that you’re following your own advice and ignoring me. 😉
(btw, did you get my email yet?)
By: Geforce - 17th September 2002 at 19:44
reply to post 36, Cyrus
America still is the most important country in the world, but for how long? One day you’ll end like the Roman or the British Empire. you can’t stay number one forever. The fact that you think the world wouldn’t survive without America shows us how ignorant are. America is worth no ##### without the rest of the world, because remember, when the United States were isolationist, the country wasn’t really that prosperous. It’s only after WWII America became a superpower.
But it would help if they put people like you in isolation.
And stop with your anti-France crap because without France you would still be a bunch of cave-dwellers or even worse, having a Queen }>. You do know that your forfathers are probably Europeans. Oops forgotten about that.
By: Cyrus_666 - 17th September 2002 at 16:56
RE: UN security council
“Very few bulldozers have turrets and guns… I think if you look again you will see it is a tank with a bulldozer blade on the front… (Often a common sight on engineering tanks for clearing rubble or for clearing mines).”
Doh! You’re absolutely right…I totally missed that. (Its still a great cartoon. It shows things as they are…and as they should be.) 😉
With regards to your remaining comments…I’m glad you agree with me. Its so refreshing to hear someone speak of America as the most important nation that it is. If the UN was disbanded tomorrow and the US said “those who want to follow us stay here and those who prefer to follow the terrorist can go home”…you know very well that 95% of the rest of the world would be staying and only France, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, North Korea and maybe Cuba would be packing their bags. (France only becasue of its overly pompous attitude and of their propensity for surrendering early anyway…hehehe.)
Never forget, America can survive far longer without the world than the world can without America. Want a few good examples? Israel would be attacked by almost every Arab/Muslim neighbor and forced to use their nukes in self defense….and….the Balkans would descend back into chaos….and….India and Pakistan would be nuking each other….and China would be attacking Taiwan….and….North Korea would be attacking South Korea….all of this within 15 mins of America withdrawing from our diplomatic obligations and becoming isolationist.
By: Arabella-Cox - 17th September 2002 at 10:02
RE: UN security council
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 17-09-02 AT 10:12 AM (GMT)]”And why would you care if we went to play in another “sand pit”?”
To be honest I don’t really care.
Pre WWII the US was very isolationist and at the same time not that prosperous. Perhaps withdrawing from the world community might remind you that much of your wealth came from the rest of the world and free trade.
“You all seem so tired of participating under a UN that has “self centered” America in it. “
I am not so stupid as to think that only the US is self centred. All major powers use their influence to get their way. Those of us from smaller countries know this much better than any American will ever understand.
What I am sick of is some people thinking that the whole point of the UN is to weld a big stick to westernise the world… “lets kick off all of the countries except the US and the UK… at least then we’ll get things done”.
Perhaps Russia, France, and Germany have a different perspective on things and when something is not so black and white then impulsive “you’re either with us or against us” type speaches are appropriate in the UN or even a court of law.
“You would rather have Syria sitting as a member of the UN Human Rights Council and kick America off of it. “
Do you think you have more influence over people you include in your life or those you shun?
Do your friends do everything you tell them to? No, but…
Are they more likely to listen to advice coming from a friend or from someone who isolated them and wouldn’t even normally give them the time of day?
“Its obvious that France, Germany, Russia and the other paranoid states in the world would rather have it that way.”
It is not these countries that are shouting that the sky is falling… oops sorry that SH is a threat to the world.
“Not bad…I like it. If I were the cartoonist I would have made that bulldozer a tank though. “
Very few bulldozers have turrets and guns… I think if you look again you will see it is a tank with a bulldozer blade on the front… (Often a common sight on engineering tanks for clearing rubble or for clearing mines).
By: Cyrus_666 - 16th September 2002 at 22:22
RE: UN security council
Not bad…I like it. If I were the cartoonist I would have made that bulldozer a tank though. 😉
By: Geforce - 16th September 2002 at 22:14
RE: UN security council
Had to show this cartoon, sorry!!!!
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By: Geforce - 16th September 2002 at 21:22
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 16-09-02 AT 09:59 PM (GMT)]You are rigbt, and Cyrrus represents his country. If I have to follow the opinion of the majority of Europeans, a country of the braindead. Ofcourse we know better,we shouldn’t judge people by their nationality, but by their posts. But unfortunatelly they are even worse.
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