AAIB report G-HHII.
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Hawker%20Hurricane%20IIB%20G-HHII%2003-12.pdf
All I shall say is I have been known to land in course pitch, forgotten to raise the flaps after take off, spoken on the radio without pressing the PTT switch etc. So I think I know which ‘system’ malfunctioned.
By: Denis - 15th March 2012 at 22:04
I wonder if the same comments would be made if a certain Duxford based operator damaged one of his own aircraft?
Cut the chap some slack fer gawds sake!
By: Denis - 15th March 2012 at 22:04
I wonder if the same comments would be made if a certain Duxford based operator damaged one of his own aircraft?
Cut the chap some slack fer gawds sake!
By: moocher - 15th March 2012 at 21:18
AAIB report G-HHII.
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Hawker%20Hurricane%20IIB%20G-HHII%2003-12.pdfAll I shall say is I have been known to land in course pitch, forgotten to raise the flaps after take off, spoken on the radio without pressing the PTT switch etc. So I think I know which ‘system’ malfunctioned.
Could it be the seat to stick interface ……… 😉
mick
By: moocher - 15th March 2012 at 21:18
AAIB report G-HHII.
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Hawker%20Hurricane%20IIB%20G-HHII%2003-12.pdfAll I shall say is I have been known to land in course pitch, forgotten to raise the flaps after take off, spoken on the radio without pressing the PTT switch etc. So I think I know which ‘system’ malfunctioned.
Could it be the seat to stick interface ……… 😉
mick
By: pagen01 - 11th March 2012 at 18:19
Scotavia is correct, very pistols used for signalling do require a Firearms operator licence and certificate, they are still used in all military towers where the armoury take care of the stock and pistol. Ready use pyros are kept in a safe at a certain distance from the tower, with the bulk being kept in a dedicated armoury building. Runway caravans where used also have the very pistols mounted in the roof. Coloured filter signalling lamps are still used as well, for both air and ground use.
They are not used for bird scaring cartridges anymore as the MoD retain BCUs and do not hold BSCs.
I’m not sure it has much to do with the incident though. I hate the way that these things always become polarised at both extremes on forums, more so than they do for the people involved I suspect. It was an accident that can happen to anyone with a whole range of experiences, simple, and hopefully people have taken a small bit of the experience away with them and have learned something else for another day.
By: pagen01 - 11th March 2012 at 18:19
Scotavia is correct, very pistols used for signalling do require a Firearms operator licence and certificate, they are still used in all military towers where the armoury take care of the stock and pistol. Ready use pyros are kept in a safe at a certain distance from the tower, with the bulk being kept in a dedicated armoury building. Runway caravans where used also have the very pistols mounted in the roof. Coloured filter signalling lamps are still used as well, for both air and ground use.
They are not used for bird scaring cartridges anymore as the MoD retain BCUs and do not hold BSCs.
I’m not sure it has much to do with the incident though. I hate the way that these things always become polarised at both extremes on forums, more so than they do for the people involved I suspect. It was an accident that can happen to anyone with a whole range of experiences, simple, and hopefully people have taken a small bit of the experience away with them and have learned something else for another day.
By: ZRX61 - 11th March 2012 at 18:06
The very pistols require firearms licence if civil, careful cartridge storage and training. Aside from runway caravans on training airfields they are kept ready for use in all RAF towers and are fired from the balcony.With the addition of an insert they are also used to launch bird scaring shellcrackers and that also needs careful use.
Here in the US we just buy them at Walmart in the sporting goods dept. They are sold for use on boats.
Not sure about the “very careful cartridge storage”, I have some sitting in a cardboard box somewhere in the garage…Altho I do store smoke grenades in a flower pot in the back yard 🙂 Training for the use of the flare gun is printed on the packet it came in.
By: ZRX61 - 11th March 2012 at 18:06
The very pistols require firearms licence if civil, careful cartridge storage and training. Aside from runway caravans on training airfields they are kept ready for use in all RAF towers and are fired from the balcony.With the addition of an insert they are also used to launch bird scaring shellcrackers and that also needs careful use.
Here in the US we just buy them at Walmart in the sporting goods dept. They are sold for use on boats.
Not sure about the “very careful cartridge storage”, I have some sitting in a cardboard box somewhere in the garage…Altho I do store smoke grenades in a flower pot in the back yard 🙂 Training for the use of the flare gun is printed on the packet it came in.
By: Arabella-Cox - 11th March 2012 at 16:58
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By: Arabella-Cox - 11th March 2012 at 16:58
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By: scotavia - 11th March 2012 at 16:46
Many towers in the Uk keep the aldis lamps handy, they are used in case of aircraft radio failure and I have reason to be glad of them when we returned to Inverness with no RT and got clearance to land via a green aldis signal.
Sometimes a airside vehicle looses radio contact and the aldis signals can get them across active areas safely instead of sending out another vehicle.
The very pistols require firearms licence if civil, careful cartridge storage and training. Aside from runway caravans on training airfields they are kept ready for use in all RAF towers and are fired from the balcony.With the addition of an insert they are also used to launch bird scaring shellcrackers and that also needs careful use.
By: scotavia - 11th March 2012 at 16:46
Many towers in the Uk keep the aldis lamps handy, they are used in case of aircraft radio failure and I have reason to be glad of them when we returned to Inverness with no RT and got clearance to land via a green aldis signal.
Sometimes a airside vehicle looses radio contact and the aldis signals can get them across active areas safely instead of sending out another vehicle.
The very pistols require firearms licence if civil, careful cartridge storage and training. Aside from runway caravans on training airfields they are kept ready for use in all RAF towers and are fired from the balcony.With the addition of an insert they are also used to launch bird scaring shellcrackers and that also needs careful use.
By: pobjoy pete - 11th March 2012 at 10:10
Very Pistol Signal Lamp
The Very and Aldis really went with the ‘Runway van’ before radio, as to be effective the items have to in the area where the pilot is looking (ahead).
No doubt some one will be along to confirm that the RAF maintained this van service long after the ‘watch office’ became the ‘control tower’,as those buildings are rarely a substitute in a ‘landing incident’ due to their location,although a lamp is certainly still part of the ‘Tower’ set up.
When it comes to ‘wheels’; there are those who ‘Have’, those who ‘May’,those who ‘Will’, those who have ‘Not Yet’, and the ‘Never’ situation can be reserved for when you give up flying.
Nowadays it is an expensive incident for a war bird; Prop,shock load,and airframe repairs,but has to be balanced against the priviledge we all have to see these machines still fly.
By: pobjoy pete - 11th March 2012 at 10:10
Very Pistol Signal Lamp
The Very and Aldis really went with the ‘Runway van’ before radio, as to be effective the items have to in the area where the pilot is looking (ahead).
No doubt some one will be along to confirm that the RAF maintained this van service long after the ‘watch office’ became the ‘control tower’,as those buildings are rarely a substitute in a ‘landing incident’ due to their location,although a lamp is certainly still part of the ‘Tower’ set up.
When it comes to ‘wheels’; there are those who ‘Have’, those who ‘May’,those who ‘Will’, those who have ‘Not Yet’, and the ‘Never’ situation can be reserved for when you give up flying.
Nowadays it is an expensive incident for a war bird; Prop,shock load,and airframe repairs,but has to be balanced against the priviledge we all have to see these machines still fly.
By: smirky - 11th March 2012 at 09:53
after a fright like that I should think the controller has bought a Very pistol out of his own money :rolleyes:
By: smirky - 11th March 2012 at 09:53
after a fright like that I should think the controller has bought a Very pistol out of his own money :rolleyes:
By: Fieldhawk - 11th March 2012 at 08:41
ZRX61 has made what is probably the most valid comment in this thread – the red flares……
What has happened to the Verey Pistol and the Alddis Lamp. The use of either could well have prevented the wheels up landing.
By: Fieldhawk - 11th March 2012 at 08:41
ZRX61 has made what is probably the most valid comment in this thread – the red flares……
What has happened to the Verey Pistol and the Alddis Lamp. The use of either could well have prevented the wheels up landing.
By: WJ244 - 10th March 2012 at 20:10
As others have said the pilot in question continues to invest significant amounts of money in restoring and maintaining historic aircraft which we all have the pleasure of watching fly. I am sure he has just as much, if not more interest, in keeping them in one piece as those of us who are never likely to be able to afford to fly anything at all (other than a kite on a string).
As Blue Max said anything mechanical can decide not to work at any time and ALL humans make mistakes. Whatever the reason the pilot involved has paid to put the aeroplane back into the air again and we all benefit from the pleasure of seeing it fly again and lessons should have been learnt for the future.
By: WJ244 - 10th March 2012 at 20:10
As others have said the pilot in question continues to invest significant amounts of money in restoring and maintaining historic aircraft which we all have the pleasure of watching fly. I am sure he has just as much, if not more interest, in keeping them in one piece as those of us who are never likely to be able to afford to fly anything at all (other than a kite on a string).
As Blue Max said anything mechanical can decide not to work at any time and ALL humans make mistakes. Whatever the reason the pilot involved has paid to put the aeroplane back into the air again and we all benefit from the pleasure of seeing it fly again and lessons should have been learnt for the future.
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