Unidentified wooden prop.

Thanks Jayce, does this mean that it is an original WW1 prop or a later manufacture for replica aircraft?
Will do Matthew give us a call at Baldonnel sometime you happen to visit Dublin
Tony K

Will do Tony, Mum wants to come over at some point to see the window and plaque inthe church.

That is great Jayce, thanks a lot.
Regards to all
Tony K

Almost certainly an original, Tony.

Thanks Jayce, does this mean that it is an original WW1 prop or a later manufacture for replica aircraft?
Will do Matthew give us a call at Baldonnel sometime you happen to visit Dublin
Tony K

Yes, the blue band and star were trade marks, along with the absent Astra brand name, of A. Steineger und Cie. (St.&C) of Bremen.

Thanks Tony, it was sent to me by a chap who worked as art director on one of the films. By what you are saying if it does indeed turn out to be a WW1 German prop it stronly points to it coming from Blue Max or one of the other films, you only have to watch the film to see the stuff that was used as set dressing.
Say Hi to Michael for me 🙂

That is a great picture to have Matthew, thanks for putting it up.
I can now confirm the diameter and is 270 cm as mentioned by Avro Avian.There is a 5 point star faded white on a black background just about visible in the attached
Now to add confusion, I just got an e mail from Michael Whelan the Air Corps Curator and he tells me that it is not the one which came from Gormanston, but was handed in by a chap who had no information as to its provenence.
Sorry for the confusion
Thanks again to all
Tony K

And my father in the cockpit of the same A/C durring filming in Ireland, these A/C are old freinds 😉

As you and I know the IAC was heavily involved in these films such as Blue Max etc.

That I wasn’t aware of, but the Blue Max German aircraft were reproductions, not originals, although making the movie there might explain how the prop got there.

ex Blue Max D VII and Pfalz D IIIs

Note the screen above the aircraft showing George Peppard in the cockpit flying the very same aircraft; he did some of the flying sequences in the Pfalz.

I dont think it would be off of one of the BM flying A/C Tony, they all had “Modern” props. The DVII’s in particular had metal fairey reed props. It could well be from one of the statics or from set dressing, there was alot of stuff used in the back ground etc for the sets. It could even be one that someone at the time picked up when filmimg had finished as a trophy 🙂

I am most grateful for all of your replies, many thanks.
Nuuumannn, I overlooked measuring the length sorry , it’s an age thing! but I hope to get it shortly.
Thanks Wilkofife that is a great site, I will try there as soon as I have the length details.
Matthew, I totally overlooked the Blue Max aircraft, of course they did operate at some stage in Gormanston, must check to see if there were any incidents.Avro Avian’s input would add credence.
Thanks again.
Tony K

Great site, was not aware of that! I guess the next question is how (if it is indeed a D VII prop) did it manage to get to Baldonnel?

‘anti-clockwise-rotating tractor propeller’ – yep; the direction the prop turns is taken from the cockpit looking forward.

Tony, it as others have said does look WW1 vintage and indeed it does look from the pics like a DVII Prop. May I suggest that it is infact nothing to do with A/C flown by IAC and actaually it is a remnant someone aquired from the films made at Baldonnel and Weston in the sixties early seventies. As you and I know the IAC was heavily involved in these films such as Blue Max etc.

Albatrii? That, I would not know…

I don’t think I would be so rash to say Fokker D.VII straight out, as the 160 PS Mercedes was used in a lot of aeroplanes….the Albatros series for instance….:)

Ah, but did Albrosses fly with 270 diameter Steinegers?

I don’t think I would be so rash to say Fokker D.VII straight out, as the 160 PS Mercedes was used in a lot of aeroplanes….the Albatros series for instance….:)

Great site, was not aware of that! I guess the next question is how (if it is indeed a D VII prop) did it manage to get to Baldonnel?

‘anti-clockwise-rotating tractor propeller’ – yep; the direction the prop turns is taken from the cockpit looking forward.

Fokker D.VII (Mercedes engine) Propeller or I’ll eat my hat.

Going out on a very precarious limb, I would suggest that it is a WWI German propeller, 2.7 metres diameter by 2.1 metres pitch, with a power rating of 160 Metric Horsepower (about 158 real ponies:)). As suggested above, check out the wooden propeller forum.
Any photos of any decals on the blades would be nice.
Note on the propeller forum the request to strongly resist the temptation to “restore” propellers like these. You can lose a lot of very valuable information…

Tony, have you tried this forum ?

http://woodenpropeller.com/forumvB/index.php

There seem to be some real propeller-heads there !

Have managed to glean that Edul Zug means ‘anti-clockwise-rotating tractor propeller’. Sorry, that doesn’t narrow it down much.

Hi Tony, how long is it? I also noted that around the centre of each blade is a badge of some sort, can you take a photo and post it or tell me what the badge is?

Aeroplane propellers of that vintage usually had markings meaning the same things displayed on them. The manufacturer of the prop, its drawing number, the diameter of the prop, the blade pitch angle, a production batch number, an inspection stamp or number and often an engine type the prop was fitted to and its power output. Not every prop had all these things though, but looking at the numbers, I’d say that these match some of these criteria. ST&Co could be the manufacturer and often diameter and pitch were displayed as ‘D’ and ‘P’. Off the top of my head, it looks like First War vintage, not between the wars, but I could be wrong.

I’ll do some digging about and see what I come up with.