United Abominations

What kinda mere mortal would dislike Tool.
What if Maynard is indeed God like some say :dev2:

I know, i know… When i saw Tool live last year, i knew it was really good stuff, but it just didn’t do it for me. Excellent musicians, wonderfully complex songs, but no reason to get my hands out of my pockets (except for holding a beer). But since Maynard owns a vineyard as well, i’m sure he’ll be able to quench my appetite for entertainment in another way. :p

Because of that, i really dislike bands like Dream Theater or even Tool, and that bombastical 1970s-stuff like Led Zeppelin or Jethro Tull.

What kinda mere mortal would dislike Tool.
What if Maynard is indeed God like some say :dev2:

Well, I saw Megadeth and Sabbath Saturday night. Sabbath was awesome, I’d never seen either them or Dio live before. Geezer Butler was amazing, playing that fast fingerstyle for over two hours! And Vinny’s drum solo was pretty intense as well.

Megadeth? Megadeth were the clear highlight of the evening. The place was mostly empty when Machine Head was on, but when they were done it filled right up real quick. They played a little under an hour, managed to still do half of Rust In Peace, and I’ll be damned if Mustaine didn’t look and sound 15 years younger. When they ripped through Take No Prisioners the whole place went absolutely nuts. Plus, adding The Mechanix into the middle of Holy Wars after the “Up on my podium…” bit was great!

Their totally awesome setlist:

Sleepwalker
Take No Prisioners
Kick The Chair
Wake Up Dead
Washington Is Next
Hangar 18
Tornado Of Souls
Peace Sells
Symphony Of Destruction (but not the extended version…have they dropped it I wonder?)
Holy Wars/Mechanix/The Punishment Due

You’ll have to explain that one to me.

Too much… ‘music’ if you understand what i’m saying. I like loud music (metal, punk) for the tremendous fun and energy i get out of it. Some people, including metalheads, find me very strange because i walk into a metal gig in a really bad mood, and leave the concert with a broad grin and in an entirely happy mood. But when the music becomes to “big”or “complex” or “now-it’s-my-turn-for-a-solo-and-then-we-change-rythm-and-then-another-solo-ad-nauseum-ad-nauseum”, the fun factor dissapears for me. I do like more complex music, but if i want to hear something like that i switch to classical music or Frank Zappa.

Because of that, i really dislike bands like Dream Theater or even Tool, and that bombastical 1970s-stuff like Led Zeppelin or Jethro Tull. Notwithstanding their qualities as musicians, the bombast and complexity of the music takes the fun away for me.

Also, if you’re into other types of melodic metal containing pieces of folk music, I can highly recommend another Finnish band called Moonsorrow. This is pagan/heathen metal with a theme that may be somewhat reminiscent of folk music or even viking metal. One of my favourite bands of all time. If you’re not into grim vocals, you can always ignore it for the sake of the music. 🙂

Lyrics-wise i’m pretty open-minded, when it comes to metal that is. Gangstarap is of course an entirely different issue. Didn’t like Moonsorrow that much, exactly because it reminded me a little too much of Spinal (where is that damn umlaut for the letter N?) Tap’s Stonehenge. Finntroll is okay. I think i should do a combined spotting-concert trip up North sometime in the future 🙂

INow, for something completely different:

Korpiklaani – Wooden Pints

This is absolutely brilliant! Thanks for the eye-opener: i’ve always loved folk-punk (Dropkick Murphys, Flogging Molly, Gogol Bordello and the likes), never thought folk-metal would be so much fun! I always had great fear for something like this…

Korpiklaani rules! Especially since the first two songs i’ve listened deal with beer… 🙂

Yeah, Megadeth has been “active”, which I guess is good if you like continual cheap politcal comentary over a brand of metal was pretentious even at its peak.

Black Sabbath- These guys put the heavy in heavy metal, and no death metal band will ever out heavy these guys. Eternal greatness for this band.

GnR- A bit on the cheap side. Theyre not bad, but not anything great

Metallica- There were great in their time. If youre listening to any of their recent stuff, youre as old as they are and feeling your age.

Slayer- Very overrated band. They started a genre, but do not deserve the hype.

Napalm Death- I havent really heard enough of these guys to make a fair comment.

Aerosmith- oooh! oooh! SOC likes Aerosmith!! You sway back and forth with a look of bliss on your face to songs like “crazy” and “amazin” dont you?

Rolling Stones- This guys went commercial way back in the early 80s, shame, shame, shame.

AC/DC- Their great album was Back in Black, and every album after that was a pethetic attempt at catch up to that album. But yes they are an enduring classic for all albums up to BiB.

Actually I don’t much care for GnR, Aerosmith, or the Stones, but they’ve been around for a while so I figured I’d include them as well.

AC/DC’s last great CD was Back in Black? That was a great album, sure, but I thought The Razor’s Edge was also very well done. The title track is underrated I think.

I do agree with you on Sabbath (I’ll be seeing them live in four hours!) and Metallica.

Well, there are some of us who don’t consider the female body to be a piece of merchandise. The thought of supporting potentially criminal individuals and/or organisations involved in the industry is appalling enough.

Yes the idea of selling sex is embarrasing, Im not saying its not. And that is the ONLY reason for anti-prostitution laws is that it is socially embarrasing to see men buy sex from women. Anti-prostitution laws have ALWAYS harmed women and created the criminal culture youve illuded to. Just take a compartive look at prostitutes in a country like the US where prostitution is illegal and look at the culture of criminal slavery and drugs which society has shut them into. Then look at a country like here in Costa Rica or other countries in Europe and youll see women who live under the respect of the law who are free to live how they want with their body. Here in Costa Rica prostitutes live normal lives, own homes (they can earn quite well here in the tourist areas) , and overall live normal lives as apposed to hookers in the US who get smacked around and ripped off by pimps and live a life of danger and uncertainty. Ive got no time for anyone who thinks they can define a common sexual standard of conduct for society to live by, it will always result in hypocricy. Its like the joke George Carlin made about how everyone drives the correct speed limit, and that everyone who drives faster than them is a maniac, and everyone who drives slower than them is an idiot. The moral right has always been a pampous beauty pagent for shut ins.

As a personal question: have you ever watched porn movies? Porn stars get paid to have sex, so why is that ok and regular prostitution is not? Porn has become very mainstream now. It was a few years back that people said the same thing about porn as they do prostitution, that it merchantizes sex and is demeaning to women. But now its all ok for regular family people to watch porn. I hope someday that (for the sake of the prositutes) that prostitution will become equally acceptable to mainstream life.

“Digging up”? They’ve been active since 1982, with the exception of a year or so off when Mustaine had radial neuropathy and needed physical therapy. Do you consider bands like Black Sabbath, GnR, Metallica, Slayer, Napalm Death, Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones, AC/DC, etc. to be fossils as well?

Yeah, Megadeth has been “active”, which I guess is good if you like continual cheap politcal comentary over a brand of metal was pretentious even at its peak.

Black Sabbath- These guys put the heavy in heavy metal, and no death metal band will ever out heavy these guys. Eternal greatness for this band.

GnR- A bit on the cheap side. Theyre not bad, but not anything great

Metallica- There were great in their time. If youre listening to any of their recent stuff, youre as old as they are and feeling your age.

Slayer- Very overrated band. They started a genre, but do not deserve the hype.

Napalm Death- I havent really heard enough of these guys to make a fair comment.

Aerosmith- oooh! oooh! SOC likes Aerosmith!! You sway back and forth with a look of bliss on your face to songs like “crazy” and “amazin” dont you?

Rolling Stones- This guys went commercial way back in the early 80s, shame, shame, shame.

AC/DC- Their great album was Back in Black, and every album after that was a pethetic attempt at catch up to that album. But yes they are an enduring classic for all albums up to BiB.

Sepultura’s an obvious example

If you ask me, the Roorback album is one of the best albums they’ve ever recorded. Derrick Green is a pretty damn good singer.

i’m one of the people that will have a continuous grin during a Gorefest concert

The entire Low album is on my Zune (Microsoft’s mp3 player) 😀

the only alternative for quality metal in the US is digging up fossils like Megadeth

“Digging up”? They’ve been active since 1982, with the exception of a year or so off when Mustaine had radial neuropathy and needed physical therapy. Do you consider bands like Black Sabbath, GnR, Metallica, Slayer, Napalm Death, Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones, AC/DC, etc. to be fossils as well?

Thank god for that, because when the only alternative for quality metal in the US is digging up fossils like Megadeth, that doesnt leave much choice.

It’s funny how relatively small those bands are here in the Netherlands. Within Temptation is big, but bands like Epica or After Forever (or the godfathers of the genre, The Gathering) can still be seen in smaller clubs instead of stadiums.

Aus Raux sucks btw

Can’t blame anyone for saying that. I like the energy, weird combination of fun and agression (but then, i’m one of the people that will have a continuous grin during a Gorefest concert), and i love the irony of gabber-style techno with guitars.

Oh, and Gorefest is alive again. Still a dug-up fossil, but it beats nu-metal crap 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWuBT19H0Zk&mode=related&search=

And for those who have the same feelings about emo like i do, here’s Left Alone:
http://www.hell-cat.com/media/download/video/845/format/mpg

but i was very much surprised that the Dutch goth-metal bands (stuff like Within Temptation, Epica, After Forever and the likes) are incredibly populair there.

Thank god for that, because when the only alternative for quality metal in the US is digging up fossils like Megadeth, that doesnt leave much choice.

Aus Raux sucks btw

ok, since you want to change the subject to metal……….

Change the subject? :confused:

That’s what the rest of us were already talking about, Mixtec. Well, music anyway.

If there’s one thing which continues to amaze me, it’s Latin America’s fascinating rock/metal/loud music scene. Sepultura’s an obvious example, but i was very much surprised that the Dutch goth-metal bands (stuff like Within Temptation, Epica, After Forever and the likes) are incredibly populair there. It’s not my particular taste, but the singer from AF is by no means an eyesore and a regular visitor to the bar i’m a regular visitor as well, so… And recently i found out that Aux Raus (Dutch gabbertechodancemetalpunk, a bit like Atari Teenage Riot in a happy mood) started their career off in Mexico as well.

For those interested:
After Forever (Viper, i think you’ll like this)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2YJ2Nh-Miw&mode=related&search=
Aux Raus (Sean, i think we should go to a gig together. Steel-capped boots recommended..)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-32ToXpIEU

ok, since you want to change the subject to metal, I would like to mention that Costa Rica has the most kick a$s metal scene Ive ever scene anywhere. Here is a local band as an example:
http://www.purevolume.com/sightofemptiness

Ive seen Megadeth in concert with Machine Head and Life of Agony, theyre are sort of ok, if your into cheap political comentary and whatnot. Mustaine is one of those guys who is cool, but doesnt quite cut it as hard core for me (he didnt break a sweat the whole concert, was weird seeing him come out with his shirt off for the encore with bone dry skin).

First off mixtec, I deleted the first of your two posts as you double posted (and you’d edited the second one, adding more text).

Secondly, methinks you are taking this a little too seriously? Those were the first lines of the song, which deals with the United Nations from the perspective of the songwriter. Dave doesn’t like the UN too much, hence the song and album title. That being said, if you’d ever read any of his other lyrics, you’ll find him to be a well-informed and opinionated person who has written about a whole host of political issues. If you want to hear commentary ranting against worldwide living conditions, then later on in the song you hear the following:

“Poverty in their kitchens, held hostage by oil for food”

I also don’t take the lyrics (and granted I’ve got the lyrics to the ENTIRE song) to be poking fun at the third world nations, but rather illustrative of the fact that their UN ambassadors enjoy a luxurious lifestyle in Manhattan while their citizens suffer. I think that you and Mr. Mustaine are thinking more along the same lines than you might realize.

This wasn’t intended to be a massive political commentary, just an announcement of the (very good) new album the band has released.

For once why cant we have an intelligent conversation about the corruption that causes world poverty. By making fun of the stupidy of 3rd world nations in a ha ha condescending manner instead of speaking forthright, you are projecting the “ugly american” image which further entrenches the idea that poor people are victims of capitalist oppression and diverts responsibilty away from themselves which they should be taking. In developed 1st world nations we should start holding bussiness accountable for how they do bussiness in 3rd world nations, making sure that loans and mining taxes really are going to public spending and not lining the pockets of corrupt leaders.

All problems of poverty in this world are cause by corruption to varying degrees:

Africa- Im refering to black africa here, most all these countrys are run by ignorant, uneducated bafoons. Were talking 100% corruption, 0% services to the public. Its time we stop being politically correct and start becoming very critical about how these governments function. The poor people in 3rd world nations can no longer plead ignorance and simply hold out their hand for aid. They have to take responsiblity and be held accountable to not allow economic and government corruption.

Asia- Although over population is more an issue in this region, the governents could do a lot better in trying create better services which would allow people to not live as subsistance farmers and force more urbanization.

Latin America- Ive lived in a few latin american countrys and Ive given up trying to urge these people to seek a better life. What they need is a swift kick in the butt to get their house in order. And yes that does mean making fun of them for their stupidy where it applys.

The US of A- Yes even the US should clean house. Its time to stop paying adults with familys the same as what a teenager would earn. The US has a long history of ghetto culture and there is really no reason for a such a rich nation to continue as such

“Less than five miles from Ground Zero sits an International hotbed, the United “Abominations” as it were. Created to prevent wars and promote peace, it failed to address the most dangerous threats facing the world.

The worst hotbed of abomination can be found in Iraq. Its very clear that the US is simply driving that country to ruin to suit its own agenda in that region. How the Iraqi people stand for it I cant fathom.

In a mire of hypocrisy, bribes, kickbacks, and corruption, the UN enables terrorism, and ignores sex crimes by its peacekeepers. The UN is where our so-called allies undermine us, and we pay 22% of their tab to host our enemies here at home.

The US and Europe are the hypocrites who recieve the bribes and kickbacks from corrupt 3rd world leaders.

Ambassadors from dirt-poor countries enjoy luxurious, tax-free Manhattan lifestyles, turning children into sex-slaves and enjoy Diplomatic immunity. It’s a complete and utter disgrace, a blot on the face of humanity, and they get away with it!”

I live in a country where prositution is legal (Costa Rica). I still cant figure out why it should be illegal for a person of age to have sex for money, anti prositution laws only exist to prevent embarrasment of the existance of sexualy fustrated men as far as I can see. Here in Costa Rica it is the foriegners who are guilty of raping children, which is no surprise as I know first hand what a perverted and sick culture the US has.

Alright, I’ll check it out some time.

Also, if you’re a fan of their earlier work, Mustaine remixed and remastered all of the albums up to Risk and re-released them with a bunch of extra tracks. The redone Rust In Peace is pretty amusing as it has some demos with Chris Poland on lead, and a whole new vocal track to Take No Prisioners as he couldn’t find the original vocals to remaster 😀

I think they stopped at the top with The Funeral Album. The Cold White Light is good, too, but I don’t really enjoy the stuff they made before that.

The Funeral Album was outstanding. The live CD/DVD Buried Alive (their last ever show) is a great sendoff as well. The Cold White Light was also very well done, and there are a few tracks from Crimson and Frozen that are outstanding as well. I do agree that the last few albums really outdid the earlier releases though.

Apart from the great Duke Nukem theme, I haven’t really listened to Megadeth in years. Are they still doing great?

Still doing fine. Their last album “The System Has Failed” was pretty good, a lot better than the two previous albums.

Good grief, can Black Sabbath still be around?

Actually they’ve been active in one form or another pretty much since the late 60’s. People think they died out when Ozzy got fired, but that’s not the case, they just went through a bunch of other singers and actually made some of their best music. The Black Sabbath I’m seeing Saturday is a sort of reunion tour with Ronnie James Dio on vocals, playing a 2.5 hour set taken from the three albums the Dio-fronted Sabbath recorded.

Difficult to understand how anyone much over 20 or so can take “Metal” seriously, it’s so grotesque, repetitive, formulaic and crude.

I’m actually very particular about what I listen to, but I have no issues stating that I have been a huge Megadeth fan for years. A lot of metal bands write about whatever it is that shocks people this week, but Mustaine has always incorporated a lot of politics and such in his lyrics. Megadeth=thinking man’s metal 😀

Although I do listen to loud obnoxious music for the most part, I also have a bunch of other stuff in my CD collection, including various darker sci-fi soundtracks (like the Alien movies-Goldenthal’s Alien 3 score has to be the best film score I’ve heard, ever), some “classic” stuff like the Sex Pistols ( 😀 ), and a mess of other stuff. If I like it I’ll buy it and listen to it. Playing guitar has probably slanted my tastes towards guitar-based music, however, but I don’t mind.

As for the UN, your quote (sounds like a US source) is pretty well accurate in its estimation. Last I heard, Libya was still chairing the UN’s Human Rights Committee – all one needs to know, really.

It’s not a quote per se, it’s the opening lines from the title track to United Abominations :diablo:

I can’t imagine any kind of “metal” that is “soft & melodic” – surely a contradiction?

Check out something by Sentenced from the 2000’s. That is melodic metal.

Basil Poledouris

R.I.P. Basil. The Hunt For Red October is still a favorite film score of mine.

If you guys want a soundtrack album of a different sort, check out any of the Halo soundtracks. Yes, Halo the video game. You might not have any interest in the game whatsoever, but they went way overboard with the music, it rivals anything you’d get out of a major studio for a big summer movie.

I think he may have been referring to John Williams, hpsauce.

He has composed several well-known film scores.