United Airlines… not going Eurowhite for new Livery

So are GNER changing their dark blue scheme, too?

Originally posted by Duesseldwarf
I quite like that – I think the dark grey on their current livery is too dark.

My thoughts exactly:rolleyes:

Originally posted by mikeconnell
Hi Greekdude, good to see you again.

Thanks for the tidings, Mike. Likewise on my end. You make a good point on the CRJ’s, I wasn’t even considering any aircraft in the United Express fleet, but you are right about them. Hand you are correct once again, as I mentioned before, rather easy trivia. Ironically, the grey and blue livery was introduced alonside introduction of the A320, which is why I asked the question in the first place. It would be nice to each of those aircraft in the old white livery, especially the 777.

Originally posted by greekdude1
That is one of them, Hand. There is another as well.

Hi Greekdude, good to see you again.

I believe the A319s and A320s (?) were delivered in grey. Also, do we include the UE CRJs?

Mike

Certainly the A320 series

That is one of them, Hand. There is another as well.

About your trivia Greek I guess that’s the 777 !

Hand, I wasn’t comparing Valujet to United, as airlines, I was comparing their ‘image’ after their 2 respective tragedies, per se. United was by no means tainted by an image of a 767 plowing into the side of one of the twin towers. Valujet’s little cartoon airplane was tainted, however, when it became known that they had shady maintanance records. On a lighter note, I do agree that a new look would be refreshing after emergence of Ch. 11, even though the current scheme has only been around for about 10 years, as I mentioned earlier.

P.S. Nobody has taken a stab at the very easy trivia question? :confused:

Greek , the purpose here wasn’t to compare UA and ValueJet.
Mike made a point saying that UA’s decision might have to do with the “bad” image of an UA’s 767 crashing the twin towers.

I mentioned that ValueJEt “saved” his image rebranding after the Everglades tragedy.

Of course both situations are very different. However I think that even if the new c/s is ugly , a new image might be good for UA especially if they go out of chap 11.

Mike, Valujet grew way too fast, and the FAA did eventually discover some faulty maintanence records on their fleet at large. The best thing that could have happened to them after that crash, was ‘merging’ with Air Tran, who was a relative nobody at the time, even by loco standards. For all intents and purposes, the post-merger Air Tran Airlines is the old Valu-jet, and in no way resembles the old Air Tran Airways (yes, they did change from Airways to Airlines after the merger). The MD-95, errrrrrrrr, 717 launch order carried over, the old DC-9’s and 737’s are gone, and a few A320’s are even on example now. More importantly, they are maintaining their aircraft properly, and are a pretty darn good each cost loco, that competes with Delta head on at ATL and MCO where Delta virtually dominates. And yet, I digress… I really don’t think you can compare the UA situation to Valujet. Yes, the 9/11 thing does some some striking images, but it wasn’t their fault. V-jet, on the other hand, was relatively new, and most people in the U.S. who know nothing about aviation, can at least name most of the big airlines. Most people didn’t know who Valujet was, even though at the time of the crash, they had grown quite a bit. They needed a change. United has enough tradition to where they don’t necessarily need it, but in order to save costs in the long run, it might be a good idea.

At any rate Bmused, I know you didn’t mention it as Euro white, but a few in the thread said it was boring, not unlike Euro-white liveries. This is far from boring. The tail is really nice, especially. I was not aware that you were in the business. Did you just come up with those liveries with some software that you use in your job? Very nice.

Originally posted by Hand87_5
That’s exactly what ValueJet did when one of their DC9 crashed in the Evergaldes .
They rebranded the airline.

That’s right – but they needed to take more drastic steps than United because of the hostile press campaign that followed the Everglades crash. Basically it was reported (wrongly, if my memory serves me right) that the crash was due to poor operating and maintenance at ValuJet.

United received none of this, with few people blaming them for 9/11, but the last moments of that dark grey 767 have stuck in many minds.

Mike

I know they’re not going Eurowhite, hence the title of this thread 😉 “not going Eurowhite for new Livery”

I’m just reacting to info given to me by a contact. I’ve developed a few since I began delving into the livery design business.

This livery may not even come about. It may look entirely different to what i have illustrated. I don’t know. Nothing is for certain in todays airline world.

I am fully aware how long it can take to paint an entire fleet. It’s no simple task. The average enthusiasts thinks that airlines just pluck a plane out of the fleet and paint it, but we all know here thats not the way it works. If or when UA paint an aircraft in any new colours, it’ll be whatever happens to be sitting in heavy maintenance at the time.

At the end of the day, a paint scheme resembling the one I illustrate above would bring about a lot of savings for UA 🙂

Bmused, I’m curious as to how substancial this info is. I’m a very loyal UA customer in every sense of the term, and this is the first I’m seeing or hearing of a new livery. I’m well aware of TED and its associated livery, as one of the flights will be operating from my home airport, ONT. If it is to come about, I very much approve of the 2nd one with the darker tail and the 3 stripe cheatline. I don’t know how you guys could classify that as Euro-white. Sure, the upper half of the fuselage is white, but the rest of it is painted nicely. Euro-white is all white, including the belly, with some titling, like Air France. This isn’t even remotely close. Mind you, I still like the current scheme. Interestingly enough, UA’s current scheme was introduced around 92/93ish. I think it is relatively young, considering AA’s has been around for about 35 years. Lastly, it usually takes a few years for a big airline like United to repaint its entire fleet after a livery change. As it is, I flew in a UA 757 in the old white scheme as late as August of 98, which is five to six years after the grey scheme came about. Just a bit of quick trivia: Which types in the UA fleet never donned the previous white scheme? This isn’t too difficult.

P.S. Ren, in order not to offend when I visit Scotland, what do I refer to “Scotch Whisky” as? In the States, we just refer to it as “Scotch.” By the way, here’s a link that shows the full colours of TED, which the style is not unlike those posted above:

http://198.104.148.27/flash-index.htm

Originally posted by mikeconnell
Agreed – but there are some stupid old grannies around 🙂

However and more importantly, if people associate the c/s with the tragedy, this is still a negative thing even though they don’t think they will die if they fly UA..

Mike

That’s exactly what ValueJet did when one of their DC9 crashed in the Evergaldes .
They rebranded the airline.

Originally posted by Ren Frew
The quickest way to offend a Scotsman is by using the term “scotch”.:rolleyes:

oooops , sorry. No offence Ren 😀

la di da

Originally posted by Hand87_5
Too much good Scotch maybe ?

The quickest way to offend a Scotsman is by using the term “scotch”.:rolleyes:

I quite like that – I think the dark grey on their current livery is too dark.

It may be boaring, but it’s a nice boaring!

Agreed – but there are some stupid old grannies around 🙂

However and more importantly, if people associate the c/s with the tragedy, this is still a negative thing even though they don’t think they will die if they fly UA..

Mike