Hi all,
last weekend we located the crash site of a downed british fighter some kilometers north of Hamburg. The location is not far away from the village Elmshorn. In my database I have no details about a lost fighter in this area. On the crash site we found some parts from parachute equipment, so the pilot bailed not out. Mysterious is the finding of a .50 bullet (not fired). The parts of the parachute is clearly a british equipment.I found the same parts on other british crash sites (Mosquito, Halifax and Wellington).
Maybe someone can help with some downed fighters in the near of Elmshorn, or can help with a list of lost pilots in this time ?
Regards
Nils
By: Pathfinder - 29th March 2009 at 19:39
Hi Mark,
this is very interesting ! Can you post a drawing or photo ?
By: Bruce - 29th March 2009 at 19:36
I thought it was that, but the stainless threw me!
Bruce
By: Mark12 - 29th March 2009 at 19:16
I am very very reliably informed that the panel with the piece of stainless is the drop down panel, piano hinge, underwing for ammunition access …Spitfire.
Mark
By: Mark12 - 28th March 2009 at 12:09
Right place. Wrong time.
By: Pathfinder - 28th March 2009 at 11:57
Great work Alan !!
Can you confirm a specific type of Spitfire for this clock ?
A photo of a complete clock were perfect !
Regards
Nils
By: Arabella-Cox - 28th March 2009 at 11:47
Aaaah….!
I think you have it, Alan.
I didn’t realise that radius bar was inside the case at the back. I thought we were looking at a bar across the decaying FACE of the dial. Now it makes sense!
By: Arabella-Cox - 28th March 2009 at 11:17
Rocketeer:
There is an awful lot of steel in that gauge for a clock….
Tangmere1940:
My thoughts too, Tony. I’d be looking for rather more brass.That said, the argument for it being a clock (ie the right place) is quite strong although I cannot make any sense of that radius bar.
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By: Arabella-Cox - 28th March 2009 at 06:59
My thoughts too, Tony. I’d be looking for rather more brass.
That said, the argument for it being a clock (ie the right place) is quite strong although I cannot make any sense of that radius bar.
By: Rocketeer - 28th March 2009 at 06:43
There is an awful lot of steel in that gauge for a clock….
By: Pathfinder - 27th March 2009 at 22:52
No problem 🙂 I´m happy about your help !
By: Arabella-Cox - 27th March 2009 at 22:07
Ah!
Sorry.
I must be careful who I give advice to in future…..
After all, I’m only a novice.
By: Pathfinder - 27th March 2009 at 22:05
Yes, this is correct. That´s why I has written “this information could be a trace“. It´s not my first crash site, I have researched over 50 before 😉
By: Arabella-Cox - 27th March 2009 at 21:02
Ok, this information could be a trace. The heading to the crash site we found is correct…
I think you should only regard it as “possible”. Caution needs to be exercised before any confirmation.
There are certainly other candidates, although some of the bits of the puzzle already fit.
By: Pathfinder - 27th March 2009 at 20:57
Ok, this information could be a trace. The heading to the crash site we found is correct…
By: Arabella-Cox - 27th March 2009 at 20:44
Bouck was last seen after he had been hit about five miles north of Hamburg and was last seen, after being hit, on a NNW heading. However, this was almost just a name drawn out of a hat that might have a link to your site. There is no hard evidence to link it with your crash – only the circumstatial evidence of date and location. A further trawl of losses might yet throw up many more possible candidates that could also fit.
By: Pathfinder - 27th March 2009 at 19:56
Just received a message from a friend. He has found a eyewitness who has seen as young boy the crash. The fighter should be downed by a flak on a railway wagon. He told now, the crash was between December 1944 and the end of the war, but more probably at May 1945 😮
I will try to make a list of downed Spitfires and KIA Pilots in this area during this time. Maybe someone can help ?
Thanks again for all your great help guys !
All the best from Kiel
Nils
By: Pathfinder - 27th March 2009 at 18:58
Five miles are not enough. The distance to Hamburg is 10-12 miles…
Do you have details about the crash of Bouck ?
By: Arabella-Cox - 27th March 2009 at 17:33
Does five miles north of Hamburg fit?
If so, we have F/O G W Bouck of 430 Squadron lost on 1 May 1945 in Spitfire XIV RM850 “D”.
By: Pathfinder - 27th March 2009 at 16:45
Thanks for the details and correction !
The village “Goelesen” and “Brabow” are not known in Germany, I think it is not correct written. Woltersdorf is too far away from Elmshorn…
The crash site we found is in a area of some small farms between “Bullendorf” “Altenmoor” and “Kibitzreihe”. Elmshorn is 2 kilometers away. The liitle village “Klostersande” is 3 kilometers south of Bullendorf. All other villages are too small for a mension in a report…
If you take a look on google-earth, you can see the area around Bullendorf (2 kilometers west of Elmshorn).
By: Arabella-Cox - 27th March 2009 at 16:10
No, his name is certainly not Colt.
He was Fg Off Alexander Graham SCOTT J/42479. Aged 19. From Westmount, Quebec.
The casualty report is quite detailed. His last radio message was “Radiator off clock. Am going to crash land”. The aircraft was then four miles North-East of Goelesen, but was later found to have crashed South-West of Brabow, Germany.
The report goes on to say he was first buried at Wolterdorf, but later exhumed and re-buried at Ohlsdorf Cemetery, Hamburg.
Not sure, anyway, if the Goelsen site is anywhere near your crash?
Unless you are able to tell us where the crash site is (village/town) we are feeling around in the dark somewhat. Something more precise might enable us to help you.
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