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Update from 'The People's Mosquito'

An update was posted on the project’s website today. http://peoplesmosquito.wordpress.com

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“Greetings friends, supporters, followers,
The People’s Mosquito project is like the proverbial swan – not much going on visibly but lots of action happening below the surface! What’s so frustrating for us – and no doubt for you, our supporters – is that most of it is stuff that’s not appropriate for public broadcast: negotiations, red tape, more red tape and more discussions.

We are aware that we have been rather quiet recently, on the news front, and we apologise for that and want to take this opportunity to give you a bit of an update on the progress of the project.

For the main part, we have been negotiating on the airframe identity, more on that below, and sorting out human resources within the team. Most of the key roles are covered, but we still need to engage a Director of Fundraising…and finding one is proving a challenge. We need someone who has executive and strategic experience in the field of fundraising and sponsorship to help us develop a successful strategy to raise the enormous funds this project will require. If you know of anyone who might fit the bill, please get in touch. But, be warned, they will need to be undaunted by a challenge! On the upside – we have a great management team here and are loads of fun to work with!

We have now produced a comprehensive budget along with a detailed business plan, and have been in contact with various specialists across the world with regards to restoration of the airframe, engine and systems procurement and the sourcing of many other parts.

RL249
After rather protracted negotiations, we have recently secured the remains of Mosquito NF.36 RL249, along with the all-important identity. Although the remains were nominally donated some time ago, we have had to cement the proprietary rights legally by purchasing them. The identity, importantly, gives TPM something to base the restoration project on. The remains themselves, being in various states of disrepair and generally unfit for use, will be used as models or templates, where possible, to re-engineer parts that are becoming more scarce and more difficult to find.

Poll Results – a change of direction
Following our poll last year to determine which was the favoured Mark of Mosquito, we have thought long and hard about the results, which showed an overwhelming vote for the fighter bomber version, the FB Mk. VI (55% of votes against six other Marks). The poll originally came about as a response to the many negative comments we received regarding our original plans to restore RL249 to its original Mark, the NF 36, the “Bullnose” Mossie.

So, as a result, and after much navel-gazing, thought and discussion, we have made the decision to restore The People’s Mosquito as an FB Mk. VI. We understand that this will be a surprise and a disappointment for some, but to the majority of people this version of the Mosquito embodies the very marque itself. We still intend to use RL249 as an identity, while making certain alterations to the look of the aircraft – in main, for example, the nose will carry not radar, but four replica .303 Browning machine guns.

Moving forward, we intend to re-adapt the aircraft every two years or so between an FB Mk. VI and an NF II – which guise would give us some exciting paint scheme options – e.g. all Matt Black or Sea Green/Sea Grey over a Matt Black underside, depending on which version, squadron and year we would be using as a basis. We are also considering adapting the aircraft to represent the FB Mk. XVIII Mark (TseTse) at some time, as part of the cycle. This move – which we realise is a major shift in our plans – reflects our stated educational ethos and, vitally, will allow us to present the Mosquito in several of its wartime roles and will be an exciting addition to the airshow circuit, year to year. It will be like having three flying Mosquitos!

We respectfully ask for your support in this move. We believe it is the right thing to do, for the charity and for the public – both donors and spectators.

We are updating our branding to reflect this move – so look out for the new logo. You will notice that we have revised our strap-line to read “To Fly – To Educate – To Remember” which we feel better encapsulates our objectives and ethos as a charity.

Fundraising and PR
Now that we have finally secured the identity, we can start to take some significant steps towards our goal.

The HR situation notwithstanding, we are currently moving forward with our fundraising strategy and will be launching that soon. Donations, in the most part, will be handled via an online platform. Details on which route we go with this are yet to be confirmed, but we are looking at crowdfunding the project in viable and realistic tranches on a platform such as Kickstarter. The hold-up has been partly down to the amount of time it takes to do the paperwork – registering with HMRC (which will enable us to utilise the Gift Aid scheme among other benefits), finalising banking details etc., and this due to the fact that we are spread around the world, and all doing this in our “spare” time.

As you may be aware, The People’s Mosquito Ltd is a charitable company, being a “Company Limited by Guarantee”, in the official jargon, which means we don’t have any shareholders or pay dividends. All profit is retained by the charity for use in the project. The next step: becoming a registered charity, will only be an option for us when we have achieved an income of over £5000 in a twelve month period. This is a major target for us. Being a registered charity will give us certain financial and tax benefits, as well as making it easier to raise funds while offering a greater degree of confidence to our supporters, donors and beneficiaries that the charity is legitimate and working within a regulatory regime.

Another target for us this year is getting out and about and meeting as many of you as possible to spread the word and, importantly, start raising some funds for the project. We hope to be visible at some of the major UK airshows this summer, but can’t give any more details yet. We will let you know which shows we’ll be attending as soon as they are confirmed. We will also be offering TPM branded goods on-line, either in a web-based store or via eBay, where you will be able to show your support by spending lots of your hard-earned cash on some TPM Mossie goodies! All for a very good cause, we hope you’ll agree. You will also soon be able to show your support or donate to TPM whenever you buy or sell on eBay through the eBay for Charity scheme.

Along with this, we’ll be starting a major PR push, aiming to get as much media coverage as possible to get the message out to a wider public.

NZ2308 – The New Zealand T Mk. 43
Recently there has been a fair bit of speculation and comment on the social media sites regarding Glyn Powell’s New Zealand-based Mosquito T Mk. 43, NZ2308. As you can imagine, the team have discussed this opportunity at some length, since we heard at the start of the year that Glyn was looking to sell. In early February we had a meeting with Glyn and his partner, and grandson, Matt, where we talked through the options and possibilities of bringing the aircraft to the UK. Unfortunately no agreement was made at that meeting or subsequently.

We would, of course, love to be in a position to purchase the aircraft. The airframe is in a fairly advanced state of build – which would significantly shorten time-to-flight status compared with a new build. However, as you may be aware, the aircraft is now on the open market and the fact is we just don’t have the funds and don’t believe – even with the impending fundraising launch – we could raise the amount required before the opportunity is gone. Glyn and Matt are running a business, not a charity, and they are quite rightly asking a market price for the aircraft. However, should TPM be able to raise the required deposit, in good time, then both parties would be agreeable to negotiating a contract to acquire the aircraft. So if anyone out there has a spare couple of million, now’s the time to stick you hand in the air! But, regardless of whether or not we will be able to enter those negotiations, one way or another, we will get a Mossie back in the UK skies.

Thanks to you all – once again
We will be making further announcements over the next few weeks – we will be posting details and info on our website, on Facebook and Twitter as soon as we can, in an effort to keep everyone informed of progress.

We ask you to continue the good work for the time being in spreading the word and getting people on board.

In the mean time, we thank all our supporters for their patience. We have always been clear that this would take a long time to get going – and thank everyone out there for their continued support.”

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By: Zac Yates - 31st July 2018 at 02:06

From memory Aerowood completed wing ribs for TPM and these may have been transported to the UK recently, or will be soon – possibly they were part of the cargo mentioned in the initial RNZAF-helps-shift-jig talk.

“I think its also a shame that they’ve said they will (hope to) effectively reproduce a FB.VI using the identity of a NF.36, rather than reproduce said NF.36.” – I’m not a great fan of the NF.36 but I agree. However, the FB.VI was the chosen outcome of the internet poll for what variant RL249 should represent, so democracy prevailed!!

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By: chippie51 - 31st July 2018 at 00:39

I saw all the parts that were recovered from the Coltishall dump. All were knackered, too far gone for use. There were some cannon ports and some exhaust stubs which came out of the dump which were OK, but there were dozens of each, and looked to be spares stock rather than from a particular airframe.

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By: QldSpitty - 30th July 2018 at 22:43

Patterns only methinks..Even the bolts look stuffed.

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By: Meddle - 30th July 2018 at 19:05

Bristol ZRX61, this image was doing the rounds early on:

http://warbirdsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/RL249-main-spar.jpg

This is the condition of the original main spar, so I dare say they have their work cut out recovering any original material from that lot!

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By: ZRX61 - 30th July 2018 at 17:57

LOL!! They just say “Park Ranger” on them around here. Friend of mine managed to get a Performance Award from one of them a few years back. Up until then we weren’t aware they could write traffic tickets.

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By: TEXANTOMCAT - 30th July 2018 at 15:42

J Boyle, I laughed so hard at this correction I spat my coffee. Top work sir 😀 😀

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By: J Boyle - 30th July 2018 at 15:22

Re”Bristol” on his comment on post 143…

This forum is famous for anorak details so I might as well offer a correction… 🙂

..the green trucks you referred to are used by the U.S. Forest Service, a part of the Department of Agriculture, and not by the National Park Service, which is part of the Department of the Interior.

The pale green vehicles are a common sight in my area…you also see the occasional one surplused from service that retains its unique color (a green reminiscent of the shade used in public lavatories).

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By: Firebird - 30th July 2018 at 13:26

ok, read through the entire thread, looked at all the pics on TPM’s FB page… First page of this thread states they acquired *the identity* of a Mossie.. are there any actual parts? All I’ve been able to find are pics of some new ribs built in NZ. Is that all there is to it?

Pretty much…..(plus lots of conflicting PR spin from within)

As ‘sopwith.7f1’ says, its a shoe box fill of some burnt bits, which may or may not include a few data plates, plus what ever has been built so far in NZ (which probably isn’t a lot, as they don’t have the money for much more.
I hope they succeed, 2 x flying Mossie’s in the UK would be fabulous (assuming Pathfinder Group succeed as well)…….but, I remain sceptical that they can raise the money and combined with the VTTS-like spin and conflicting PR that comes from within (or not?) is hardly helpful to their cause….IMHO.
I think its also a shame that they’ve said they will (hope to) effectively reproduce a FB.VI using the identity of a NF.36, rather than reproduce said NF.36.

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By: sopwith.7f1 - 29th July 2018 at 23:24

Bristol ZRX61.

From what has been shown of the part’s, they come from a MK NF36 “if memory serves me correctly”, and consist of roughly a shoe box of bits, non of which can be reused, in an airworthy aircraft. Basically what TPM will be doing. IF they succeed, is building a repro. I know there are other members on this forum, who may have more accurate info, that they can tell us….

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By: ZRX61 - 29th July 2018 at 21:59

ok, read through the entire thread, looked at all the pics on TPM’s FB page… First page of this thread states they acquired *the identity* of a Mossie.. are there any actual parts? All I’ve been able to find are pics of some new ribs built in NZ. Is that all there is to it?

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By: ZRX61 - 29th July 2018 at 20:53

Is it just some bizarre coincidence that Avspecs wing jig is painted the same shade of green that is used on vehicles operated by the US Park Rangers to patrol the forests?

& from reading TPM’s response to questions about wing jigs… are we to assume there are two sets of jigs?.. one of which is owned by Avspecs & the other which is going to TPM.

The claim that the jigs we have acquired were used on all recent Mosquito builds and were the only set in existence, which was made on a single aviation forum five days ago, was made in error by a member of the team.

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By: sopwith.7f1 - 29th July 2018 at 10:33

:dev2:TIGHAR PROMISES MOSQUITO.
Press Release-
Latest development’s-

After discovering compounding evidence that Amelia E was actually flying one when she disappeared, and not an Electra as some “now discredited by TIGHAR” historians believed. TIGHAR are now seeking donations towards the $15,000,000 estimated cost of building a repro of the Mosquito that Amelia E is now known to have been flying when she disappeared, after a secret mission to kill Hitler, failed.
TIGHAR have acquired the only surviving drawings for the Mosquito, as well as the only wing jig in existence. They also have the remains of a DH Tiger Moth, who’s ID the finished repro will assume. TIGHAR also states that they have the support of the Queen, Donald Trump, David Beckham, Lady Ga-Ga, Lord Lucan and Shergar.
All donations should be made to MY BANK ACCOUNT, at the bank of GRABBITT & RUNN.

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By: avion ancien - 29th July 2018 at 09:53

Err, TPM isn’t a front for TIGHAR, is it?

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By: QldSpitty - 29th July 2018 at 00:48

Be cheaper to buy copies of the CAD drawings and 3d lofts already done and then add to it.

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By: sopwith.7f1 - 29th July 2018 at 00:15

I tend to think that someone will make a killing from TPM, IF they manage to raise the 1/2 million to cover these basic “engineering” costs. And by the sounds of it, that 1/2 million, doesn’t even include the fuselage mould’s that will be needed to build the repro.

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By: Fournier Boy - 28th July 2018 at 23:09

£500,000 in paperwork, approvals and drawing transfer to CAD. Bottomless pit methinks…

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By: Firebird - 28th July 2018 at 22:33

Daily Fail journalism up to its usual and predictable abysmal standards………

Timing is interesting so soon after Pathfinder Groups recent announcement :rolleyes:

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By: Fournier Boy - 7th July 2018 at 08:30

Director of Engineering and Airframe compliance? Assuming Retrotec are undertaking the build then this role will be met by them, with any variations being met by either in house approvals or external Part 21 companies. Sounds somewhat of a redundant role…

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By: DH82EH - 7th July 2018 at 00:46

The Mosquito in Windsor Ontario (First one off G. P.’s moulds) has a wing that they built in house.
I think they built their own jig.

http://www.ch2a.ca/mosquito

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