Victory rolls

If we are going to be pedantic, then I’m off down the airfield. The real thing is so much easier than Microsoft FS 2000! DazDaMan asked a simple question, and I tried to answer it in a simple way, without resorting to test Pilot speak. I’m sure he doesn’t give a hoot if the wing section is symetrical or not – he’s attempting it on Microsoft FS, which as sure as hell isn’t anything like the real thing, despite what the PC anoraks will tell you.

If I were going to be pedantic I’d point out that actually he doesn’t say it’s MS FS2000!

Anyway, the current version is FS2004. :rolleyes:

PC anoraks eh?

Maybe they would say that.

But not those who know about flight sims. I think you’d find they would say that these days it comes pretty darn close! 😉

Sarcasm aside, maybe we should continue this discussion in the Flight Sim forum. :diablo:

Cheers

Paul

How do you pull off a good victory roll?!

I was under the impression we were talking about aileron rolls, which is what a victory roll is! Agreed, 30 degrees nose down will get you a zero in a comp, but then an ‘aileron roll’ is not an FAI recognised manouevre anyway!

If we are going to be pedantic, then I’m off down the airfield. The real thing is so much easier than Microsoft FS 2000! DazDaMan asked a simple question, and I tried to answer it in a simple way, without resorting to test Pilot speak. I’m sure he doesn’t give a hoot if the wing section is symetrical or not – he’s attempting it on Microsoft FS, which as sure as hell isn’t anything like the real thing, despite what the PC anoraks will tell you.

By “aerobatic aircraft” I was refering to aircraft specifically built to perform aerobatics. I thought the Tiger Moth was a primary trainer that was capable of some (restricted) aerobatics?

Well it is a primary trainer, but is also very good at most standard level aerobatic manouvres. Even in the mid 1960s, Tiger Moths were competing at International level (I know, its hard to believe!)

Aileron only rolls are fine in aerobatic aircraft and fast jets with virtually symmetrical wing sections but for a warbird with a lifting section and substantial dihedral it’s a different matter.

I beg to differ (there’s always one!)…

All the simple aerobatic aircraft I have flown, ranging from a Tiger Moth through Harvards to Jet Provosts, will aileron roll quite nicely. As has been said, even some large transport aircraft will roll, although these tend to be barrell rolls rather than aileron rolls. Even a BN Islander will do a passable barrell roll (ahem!…) Wing section is immaterial; what is important is that the nose of the aircraft is high enough to start the manouvre, as in a true aileron roll the nose will drop as the roll continues. How much this drops is dependant on the aircraft type, speed etc. Which is why you will always see a correctly flown aileron roll started on a positive upward vector. For example, a Tiger Moth, with poor ailerons, will need a very high nose attitude to start and a very steep dive to finish, which is why Barrell Rolls are better in a Tiger Moth. Chipmunk is superb at aileron rolls (good ailerons) – pitch up to 20-30 degrees, stop the pitch input (Important-the aircraft needs to rotate only, with absolutely no pitch input at all), roll with full aileron, and keep your feet still on the rudder. Any pitch or rudder input will tend to make the aicraft finish off line. The aircraft will recover in level flight at approx 30 degrees nose down, again depending on type and speed….

Most advanced aerobatic aircraft have such powerful ailerons that a true aileron roll is over in fractions of a second. I actually find it more difficult to fly a passable slow roll or barrell roll in a Pitts Special or Extra than in a Stampe or Chipmunk!

Its all in the ailerons 😎

My avtar may give you a clue

which aircraft was this?

I sat in the back of an aircraft doing various forms of roll etc on Sunday, however I have no idea what controls etc were usedI was too busy taking pics and hanging on to notice.

I’d take it back if it was a shyte hawk, though 😉

I had a very nice chicken roll for my lunch, not sure if it was a spring chicken or not though.

Spring chicken to ****e hawk in one easy lesson :- Daggerdaggerdagger!!!!!

Not at all! All that is needed is aileron. If you use the tactic descriped above you can fly a passable ‘Aileron roll’ in anything! Even the Concord. That’s how they rolled the Concord on a test flight

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I always thought you HAD to use rudder for a roll?? :confused:

Not at all! All that is needed is aileron. If you use the tactic descriped above you can fly a passable ‘Aileron roll’ in anything! Even the Concord. That’s how they rolled the Concord on a test flight

I always thought you HAD to use rudder for a roll?? :confused:

Easiest way for victory rolls: Pich up about 25°, neutralize elevator (center) and apply full aileron in the desired direction. Watch the horizon wizz around. If you want to make it more difficault, try using rudder as well, it is how ever not mandatory for a decent roll

The best I managed was to plough through the top of a tree – a little more than a touch of finger trouble!

“Skipper hates Jerries.”

“He’ll hate you Daz, if you don’t get that gun sorted by morning…”

“One smooth progressive movement” – oh well, I guess that counts me out! 😀

I’ll give it a shot next time 🙂

‘only a third of a kill. I used to bang away all day and never hit anything. Oh, by the way, that victory roll over the airfield. What if your controls had been shot up? You’d be spread all over the airfield like strawberry jam!!
NEVER AGAIN. CLEAR!?’

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Need to watch those flying wires when you do it! Could be damaged

Roll’s
2 way’s to do it first pull up 10″ from level then roll
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level roll right 45″ then just pull back and keep pulling at about 2-3G’s and you’ll come all the way back round!.

Shaft
Newcastle JP Co.