November 26, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Just over a year ago, I sought and received (for which, thanks) information about the above Lodestar. In its later guise, it was owned by Trio Concerts Inc. and then by Ashes and Sand Inc.
I believe that this brief home movie clip shows this very aircraft at that time (which would have been late 1965 to early 1966):
http://vt.tumblr.com/tumblr_luypfdMkHc1qcxxuw.mp4
Note: I have no idea what the tall thin person is doing at the end, nor how that part is related to the rest of the clip
This would have been filmed in North America, probably in the USA, but I don’t know where. This is a tough question but can anyone identify the airfield from what little is seen in the background?
I believe (but do not know for sure) that the aircraft was based at Teterboro then but it was certainly flown all over North America in that time period.
By: ianwoodward9 - 25th June 2012 at 01:07
A brief section of the videoclip I posted will be in the HISTORY DETECTIVES programme that starts the new series on PBS-TV in the USA. I believe the first broadcast date is 17 July 2012 but goodness only knows when it will appear on PBS UK.
By: ianwoodward9 - 14th May 2012 at 12:44
I have recently located the fuller videoclip from which the excerpt I first posted was taken. Much of this will be of little interest to most of you (and, indeed, largely to me, too). However, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kD2P5_16xc
It opens with about 20 seconds shot from the Lodestar in question, as it comes into land. Again, my question is this:
Given this additional footage of the approach to the airfield, showing the area around and the runway etc., is it possible to identify which airfield it is?
BACKGROUND If you’re bored already, then don’t read on but here’s a little bit of backjground:
1. The original footage is at 1.15 – 1.25
2. This home movie footage was almost certainly shot by Victor Maymudes, who was Bob Dylan’s road manager at that time
3. It looks as though, on Victor’s death, it passed to his son, Jake, who works in the video making business, I believe
4. It is as if Jake took the home movie footage and edited it into this clip – perhaps as an exercise
5. The music is not Bob Dylan
6. The Law family included John Phillip Law, who was an actor. He appeared in “Barbarella”, as I recall, as the blind angel. He is included in this footage.
7. The Law family ran a sort of artists’ colony in LA in the mid-1960s, based at a place called The Castle.
By: ianwoodward9 - 14th May 2012 at 12:44
I have recently located the fuller videoclip from which the excerpt I first posted was taken. Much of this will be of little interest to most of you (and, indeed, largely to me, too). However, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kD2P5_16xc
It opens with about 20 seconds shot from the Lodestar in question, as it comes into land. Again, my question is this:
Given this additional footage of the approach to the airfield, showing the area around and the runway etc., is it possible to identify which airfield it is?
BACKGROUND If you’re bored already, then don’t read on but here’s a little bit of backjground:
1. The original footage is at 1.15 – 1.25
2. This home movie footage was almost certainly shot by Victor Maymudes, who was Bob Dylan’s road manager at that time
3. It looks as though, on Victor’s death, it passed to his son, Jake, who works in the video making business, I believe
4. It is as if Jake took the home movie footage and edited it into this clip – perhaps as an exercise
5. The music is not Bob Dylan
6. The Law family included John Phillip Law, who was an actor. He appeared in “Barbarella”, as I recall, as the blind angel. He is included in this footage.
7. The Law family ran a sort of artists’ colony in LA in the mid-1960s, based at a place called The Castle.
By: ianwoodward9 - 7th December 2011 at 00:07
Trying to identify the airfield from so short a piece of home movie footage, as shown in that videoclip, was a very long shot indeed but thanks, anyway, to all those who have at least viewed this thread.
By: ianwoodward9 - 5th December 2011 at 01:51
Thanks for the response and sorry to take so long to come back to you on it.
Dylan’s manager at that time was one Al Grossman, who also managed Peter Paul and Mary, who were Trio Concerts Inc. Dylan’s company was Ashes & Sand Inc. This particular Lodestar was first owned by Trio, then was transferred to Ashes & Sand. Around that time, I believe that Trio Concerts acquired another Lodestar. If my memory is correct on this element, then it would explain the reference to two Lodestars. As far as I know, the two were owned rather than leased but I’d be pleased to be corrected on this.
When the first link refers to “the band”, they were actually the musicians who later came to be called The Band, though they were actually called Levon & The Hawks at this time. They had played a summer residency at a resort in New Jersey, after which they returned to Toronto (all but one were Canadians). Following up a recommendation and after working with a couple of members, Dylan went to check them all out in Toronto, after which he returned to New York. There were two concerts in Texas, including the one in Austin. These were, in a way, try outs, in that Dylan had a major concert coming up at Carnegie Hall in New York in early October. He had had a very mixed reaction to the “electric” songs at a festival in July and at an open-air concert near New York in August and he wanted to get it right for the Carnegie Hall show.
Thereafter, Dylan and this band of musicians (notwithstanding a few changes of drummer) toured North America for the last quarter of 1965 and the first quarter of 1966, followed by a so-called world tour in April and May 1966.
The Lodestar was used extensively on those North American tours and I would be pleased to receive any information about its use in the October 1965 to March 1966 period.
By: wieesso - 28th November 2011 at 07:37
“Sept. 23, 1965 – Dylan flies down and meets the band in Austin at Villa Capri. The band flies down to Texas from Toronto. Their plane was one of two leased by Albert Grossman’s company and was a Lockheed Lodestar that traveled slowly and had intermittent air conditioning. The band called it the “Volkswagen in the Sky.””
http://expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45386
“On the road the Dylan entourage usually consists of Dylan, his road manager, a pilot and co-pilot for the 13-seat two-engine Lodestar in which the group travels over the shorter distances (tourist-class commercial jets are used for overseas and transcontinental travel)…”
http://www.cafecancun.com/bookarts/dylan.shtml
By: ianwoodward9 - 27th November 2011 at 20:01
No, the aircraft does not survive and, yes, that is Bob Dylan exiting it. The guy in the light shirt is Albert Grossman, his manager.
By: ozplane - 27th November 2011 at 10:23
Daft question but is the chap with the sunglasses Bob Dylan? I know all us “folkies” tried to look like him in that era
By: David Burke - 27th November 2011 at 09:47
Does this aircraft survive?