Vintage Aircraft in the sea and fresh water around the uk

To be fair to Dive the World Steve (and I was given the runaround re the German lake stuff) he did send sonar scans of a ditched lake B-17 (supposedly in the UK) and a couple of photos of a Hurricane in a Loch which he was seeking permission to recover at one time.

Hard to figure what he was about actually.

Dave

Have posted a message to EAST COAST SAILING for an update on their report in April 2012, along with the pic’s which do look very much like the Americam bomber they were researching.

Hi

Can’t answer whether it was recovered but assume this was the aircraft –

http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1w7lc/EastCoastSailingECS0/resources/27.htm

I thought Buxey Sands was a JU88, may of been the one blown up because it was being mistaken for a ditched aircraft in the 70s

Hi Gent’s.
In 1971, or thereabout’s, I took some aerial photo’s of the BUXEY SANDS. for a college friend of mine. I have often wondered what became of the wreck I photographed that appeared to be upside down on the Sands and of which the wingspan and engine mounts are clearly visable. Was it JU88? At the time I think my friend was looking for a Heinkel but really can’t remember…it was so long ago!!!
I have scanned the 2 remaining photo’s that I can find so they would be available for viewing if anyone is interested, but I do wonder if it was ever recovered!

P47-D from Weymouth Bay:-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonbrownimages/6949505694/

The talk of a Sunderland hoax reminds me of an underwater “F-89” in Lake Superior.
Only this story is perpetuated by UFO buffs.

If you look at the photo here on the third line, It looks awfully like a Revell F-89 kit buried in sand.
http://www.google.com/search?q=F-89+wreck+in+lake+superior&rlz=1T4ADRA_enUS410US410&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=CUK1UfXnC8PSiwKtrIGwBg&ved=0CFQQsAQ&biw=1689&bih=855
I refuse to believe that a jet hitting the water would be in one piece…and the wing would come off that cleanly.
If they say the plane ditched and that’s why it’s in one piece, I believe the Scorpion’s POH warns against ditching, as the low mounted air intakes are not conducive to a later landing.
And of course, the folks who say they found it never bothered to file a report with the USAF or Canadian authorities so the crew’s remains could be recovered.

David,

Before his widow partially cleaned up the site the images were all used as discoveries by S C-T and his Sea-Tech/Dive the World to try to gain money to investigate more.

It was the front of a fraud and used photos grabbed from other publications without copyright and used to describe aircraft types and locations that they could never be.

This was Rob Rhor answer to the P-47
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?24445-Dive-the-World-sham

He also appeared here to defend the photoshoped Sunderland in Windemere Sonar
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?27408-Sunderland-in-Lake-Windermere

What is now correctly shown as privateer in Lake Washington was widely hawked about here as a Stirling in the North Sea

Another long runner was the Spitfire Floatplane
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?73611-Of-legends-rumours-and-urban-myths

Defiant in Loch Ness
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?107322-RAF-Museum-Defiant

He used a variety of posting names on here to seemingly give support to the above threads from both male and female personalities.

Allison Johnson was one of his female posting names here for classic Troll actions
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?60412-Spitfire-P8187-in-Fresh-Water

I know of at least one dive team who he duped trying to take him to court to recover costs. He had claimed to have dived and located the Sunderland of an elderly relative who was then present on board the funded expedition when he claimed to have seen the skeletons of the crew still inside.

A character who still leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth for his actions and lack of any human respect to the fallen who he saw as a way of funding his diving.

The site remains a copyright breach of numerous publications.

Ross

I do have to say I was a little surprised to see the Dive company recovering the Goodwin Sands Dornier for the RAFM is called Seatech!

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/blog/seatechs-role-in-saving-the-dornier/

http://www.seatechdiving.co.uk/

But after the double-take – its not to be confused with Sea-Tech Consultancy Services Ltd – ie Sea-Tech Exporation / Divetheworld!

http://www.divetheworld.com/

Had things taken a VERY different path it may well have been?, given there was clearly an interest and desire to be involved in such recoveries, along with apparent diving and scanner skills?

However “Sea-Tech” / “DivetheWorld” / “SteveCT” was not only clearly the source of, (rather than simply the victim of), misleading material, but also a very sad case of “Walter Mitty” taken to its end conclusion.

Its therefore hard to know if it was simply the case of fraudulent money making scams, or part of an elaborate and un-fetted Freudian follies to try to break into aircraft recovery, or a bit of both? But for a period of time in the early 2000’s the lakes and oceans of the world were seemingly yielding treasures from the deep, such as a rare bubble nose ME-262 in a lake in Germany, a Sunderland in Windemere and even a rare Spitfire floatplane.

Clearly someone with a some problems, which got out of control and overwhelmed himself to the point of very sad consequences.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintage-and-warbirds/message/3005

I was diving in a lake in Northern Germany and we found an Me262 variant with a
bubble nose that had been pushed into the lake. I am currently trying to get
together an expedition to raise it but have a bit of a problem finding a
sponsor. I was on a skydiving holiday and the airfield we were using was an
ex-fighter base from WWII but on a day when the wind was too high to jump a
friend of mine and I went diving in the lake and there they were. I think it
was pushed in there to stop it falling into allied hands.

Steve

If riding in a plane is called flying then riding in a boad is swimming.
If you want to experience the element you have to get out of the vehicle.
http://www.divetheworld.com

Steve Carmichael-#imson wrote:

> I have a video of the aircraft on the bottom. It was obviously pushed in
there as there is no crash damage and the plexiglass in the nose is still there
and unbroken.
>

http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=6373

RARE WARBIRD DISCOVERED � INVESTORS WANTED � I run a diving company in the UK and my divers have discovered an intact Spitfire which was converted to a float plane in a fresh water lake in the UK. Serious investors required to conduct salvage operation. Investors will take ownership of the aircraft on recovery. � Contact Steve Carmichael-#imson – SEA-TECH EXPLORATION LTD located Banbury, OX United Kingdom � Telephone: 0779320#### � Posted August 11, 2004

There was an excellent thread discussing this Spitfire Float-Plane where SC-T described running his hand along the float to confirm its existence, but it was unfortunately deleted by a Mod.

http://archive.warbirdinformationexchange.org/archives/post37927.html

EXPEDITION TO SEEK OUT WARBIRDS IN FRESHWATER LAKE ? ANNOUNCEMENT ? The Cumbrian lakes in the North of England have been the site of crashed aircraft ever since aircraft were invented. We are seeking sponsors to help us search these lakes with side scan sonar. Any aircraft that are found will be handed over to the sponsor should they so wish. ? Contact Steve Carmichael-#imson – SEA-TECH EXPLORATION LTD located Banbury, OX United Kingdom ? Telephone: 0779320#### ? Posted April 19, 2004

And here is his KP female alias – “Allison” in full flight promoting his activities, as was an apparent habit of many of his aliases.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?62083-Warbird-week-in-the-South-of-France-for-divers&highlight=divetheworld

I know there are a lot of divers who log on here so I thought you may be interested in this. The guys who run divetheworld.com are going to be arranging a diving trip in the South of France and spend a week diving warbirds. The area around Marseille is littered with the wrecks of WWII aircraft and they have made contact with a dive operator in the area to dive them. The dive operator is the guy who found the P38 that was flown by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry who wrote the book “Little Princes”. Check out the divetheworld.com forum where there is an area called Aircraft Underwater and there is a thread about the week. If you’re interested just put your name down and when they get details and prices they will let everyone know. I will definately be going as it sounds like it’s going to be a great time. At the moment they are just seeing what interest there is. 😀 😀

Ali

For those who still find it hard to believe “Allison” really was SteveCT, simply compare the photo Allison presents as “her” skydiving in post #23,

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?59765-Silent-Vally-Reservoir-Spitfire&highlight=dive%20recovery

and the image of SteveCT “himself” skydiving – posted on this tribute page.

http://www.friendsandrelations.com/html/appreciations.php/id/365/aid/515/relations/appreciations_steve_carmichael-timson.html

And of course, “Allison” hasn’t posted again since 2007, despite being a prolific poster of over 400 posts in “her” time.

Apparently debate within his own Dive-the-World Forum started to un-mask his multiple identities, as well as disclose complaints from investors -who had apparently responded to the various barnstormer advertisements etc, and it all became too much.

Unfortunately the fantasy world finally collided with the real world – with very sad results for everyone.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-564910/Diver-killed-following-malicious-email-bombardment-encouraging-commit-suicide.html

So leaving the Windermere-Sunderland, the Spitfire Floatplane, and the bubble nose Me-262 all still sitting out there in the lakes just waiting to be “re-discovered”, or perhaps better left to “lie where they are” to feed the urban myths.

Perhaps it is ironic karma that Seatech is the name of the group recovering the RAFM Dornier?

Regards

Mark Pilkington

They are separate Dorniers – no one has been able to find the Pegwell bay one as far as I can see.

Flixton P47(s?)

Its cats in bags and worms in tins Tony. My only contribution to this thread:D

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Blimey I opened a bag of worms.. :apologetic:

Ross, I have several lumps of a a B17 that apparently came down near Nabs Head. Includes half a ball turret. Any ideas?!! I also have a column from a P38 that came down near Chichester Harbour!!

So, is the Goodwin Sands Dornier and the one off Pegwell Bay one and the same? If so I declare myself officially embarrased!

look here

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?117291-Goodwin-Sands-Dornier-Recovery-2013-Thread&p=2032548#post2032548

Whilst on holiday in Kent back in 1994 I was told of a Do17 and a Lancaster in the sea off Pegwell Bay. Does anyone know anything about these?

David,

Before his widow partially cleaned up the site the images were all used as discoveries by S C-T and his Sea-Tech/Dive the World to try to gain money to investigate more.

It was the front of a fraud and used photos grabbed from other publications without copyright and used to describe aircraft types and locations that they could never be.

This was Rob Rhor answer to the P-47
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?24445-Dive-the-World-sham

He also appeared here to defend the photoshoped Sunderland in Windemere Sonar
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?27408-Sunderland-in-Lake-Windermere

What is now correctly shown as privateer in Lake Washington was widely hawked about here as a Stirling in the North Sea

Another long runner was the Spitfire Floatplane
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?73611-Of-legends-rumours-and-urban-myths

Defiant in Loch Ness
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?107322-RAF-Museum-Defiant

He used a variety of posting names on here to seemingly give support to the above threads from both male and female personalities.

Allison Johnson was one of his female posting names here for classic Troll actions
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?60412-Spitfire-P8187-in-Fresh-Water

I know of at least one dive team who he duped trying to take him to court to recover costs. He had claimed to have dived and located the Sunderland of an elderly relative who was then present on board the funded expedition when he claimed to have seen the skeletons of the crew still inside.

A character who still leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth for his actions and lack of any human respect to the fallen who he saw as a way of funding his diving.

The site remains a copyright breach of numerous publications.

Ross

I am with you -they are nice ! Are they not real aircraft or something Ross?

You WILL love these

http://www.divetheworld.com/Diving/warbirds/index.htm

THE CANVEY POINT B17

I have been out to this aircraft on many occasions during the early 70s an up to the mid 80s.

Plenty of remains of the B17 remained including two engines, Props, undercarriage leg and with a prob plenty of metal around four feet down.
I know that engines removed ended up at Blake Hall museum along with other bits all lifted with a pallet and flotation drums !