Vintage Loganair

great shots – rock on Sheds!

Nearly…I think the SH330 (and 360) are excellent

The Shed in its various forms may not be flavour of the month any more, but it was just about the first ‘modern’ turboprop commuter. Up until it arrived, the F27/748 (and even the DC3) were just about the smallest aircraft available. The Shed did the job it was designed to do very well…..move 30 (or 36 in the 360) pax over short sectors with a moderate degree of comfort, while offering the airlines something smaller and more economic than the F27/748….and it flew surprisingly nicely as well (leaned a bit in a crosswind though!)

Which leads onto a batch of slides I had totally forgotten about…..clearly a couple of hours to kill at the Harbour, so somemone must have driven me over to the Shorts side of the field to get these.
1. 330 prototype
2. 360 prototype
3. Sherpa prototype
4 & 5 Skyvans
5. Avair 330 (they had just gone broke!)

It’s only a disaster from a piloting perspective when considered against the competition. e.g. engines that are known for suffering quadruple roll back at the same time in icing conditions, etc, etc.

Nearly…I think the SH330 (and 360) are excellent. It’s just the engineering disasters that are the ATP and the 146 that I think need condemning!

to be fair if the 146’s were as much the disasters as you make them out to be, they wouldn’t have sold in the numbers they have.

Any mention of the ATP, Shorts330’s or BAe146’s is like waving a red flag in front of a bull for wys LOL

Nearly…I think the SH330 (and 360) are excellent. It’s just the engineering disasters that are the ATP and the 146 that I think need condemning!

My fondest memories of working in the industry are, without doubt, my own Business Air days, Darren. Four lovely years under the wing of Ian Banham in the Revenue Accounts Department at Dundee Airport. If it hadn’t been for the fact that we were losing our jobs, at some point, and that it looked like we would only be offered positions in the Isle of Man with Manx, I would have hung around. Not the best paid job in the World, but certainly the one I had most fun in. I laughed to myself the other week when I read your comments about the Swiss chocolate bars being removed from the II flights – they were apparently quite expensive for what they were.

Dusseldwarf,

I worked alongside some ex-Loganair people at Business Air. They never had a bad word to say about the company, despite the fact that virtually every member of ground staff was laid off in the early 90’s, and had to re-apply for their position.

Unfortunately they all jumped ship, during the turbulent year of 96, when Business Air became part of the ‘Airlines of Britain Group’ – they weren’t in the mood for another round of potential job losses.

Fully agree with your comments about working for a regional operator. It can be fun, despite the long hours and hard work.

You know, I’d have to confess that Loganair would be my ideal airline to work for these days. A regional airline based in my Homeland – what could be better? Having gradually moved on from small airline to slightly larger airline then to Monarch, I now really miss working for a regional airline. It’s just so much more fun and people pull together that little bit more. It feels like a better job done at the end of the day.

ah, it always amuses me.

Any mention of the ATP, Shorts330’s or BAe146’s is like waving a red flag in front of a bull for wys LOL

Meanwhile for others (myself included), have made special efforts to get a hop on any one, (or in my case all!!!) of the above – strange eh!

You’re kidding Ren…the arrival of those was probably why he left!!!

ah, it always amuses me.

Any mention of the ATP, Shorts330’s or BAe146’s is like waving a red flag in front of a bull for wys LOL

You’re kidding Ren…the arrival of those was probably why he left!!!

Ha ha, too true ! 😉

Did they have the BAe146 or the ATP’s during your time with Loganair Moondance ?

You’re kidding Ren…the arrival of those was probably why he left!!!

I love those 360’s….people look at me strange when I say they look good 🙂 🙂

I used to fly in them over to LDY, I’ve flown in the J31, J41 as well but I wouldn’t mind going up in the otter or islander in some crazy weather :diablo:

Excellent Pictures brings back some memories

DME

Excellent thread! Someone within my Mum’s side of the family flew for Loganair up until a year or two ago I think. Came from the oil rigs, paid his way through the training and got a job flying for Loganair! 😎
I would love to fly for them as a starting point in my ‘career’, no better way to explore your own country than fly little props to idyllic locations in Scotland. 😀

Extremely interesting thread, and a fascinating set of photos! Would love to see more any time 😀

A great view into a differant side of aviation! Great thread.

Absolutely fantastic stuff in both this and the other Loganair thread.

Looks like you have had a great working life!

When I joined, 9 (ish) Twotters, 2 Bandits (mostly ABZ based for the Chevron Unst contract plus ad-hocs), about 6 Islanders (2 each at GLA, KOI & LWK) plus the two 330s and about 3-4 Trislanders.

As the Chevron contract ended, the Trislanders were mostly sold, as were some of the Twotters – the remaining Twotters came to GLA (replacing the BN3s on the West Coast routes). The Bandits lingered at ABZ for a short time doing ad-hocs before being sold (pics of them to come). The 330s were replaced by 360s. Islander numbers have remained similar over the years.

What transformed LC’s fortunes in the mid-80s, was the move of the BFS services to BHD (it was not possible to compete head-to-head with the BA 748s to BFS using Sheds or Otters) – all of a sudden the aircraft were jam packed. More importantly were the award of route licenses to do MAN from EDI (initially) then GLA – hence the F27(s). The Sheds/F27s used to fly these big triangles between GLA/EDI, BHD and MAN all day, with real good loads.

Which is about when I left. I think the 146s were bought on the presumption of getting GLA/EDI-LGW licenses, which sadly never happened…and then we were into all that Manx/Euromanx stuff with ATPs, where I lost the plot – you probably know more about that than me!

Did they have the BAe146 or the ATP’s during your time with Loganair Moondance ?

What would the fleet have been in those days, probably the most varied in it’s history I’m guessing?

A shame it down to just four types now. 🙁

nice stuff Moondance, you don’t have anything of G-AVRA (Islander) perchance? Ken

‘Fraid not – G-BANL was the oldest Islander in the fleet by then.

1. What I presume was the replacement for G-IOMA after its gear failure.
2. Rooftop view from EDI – suppose that has long closed as a viewing point?
3. Both super Sheds at EDI
4…and at GLA.