Violent Disorder Bill – threat to 'authentic' warbirds?

Jesus!!!!!! about £300-£400 for a deactivated .30 around here ZX!

Mind even has the bayonet 🙂 which may not be exactly legal if fitted, thats why it’s usually stuck in the garage wall as a coat hook 🙂

Jesus!!!!!! about £300-£400 for a deactivated .30 around here ZX!

zrx61 THIRTY .30s for $380!!!!!!!!!!

Ya misread it, 10 to a crate, $38 each. You can buy em in pretty much any gun shop for about $100 each so there’s quite a mark up on em.
M1 Garands & Russian Nagants are about the same price. There’s also quite a few Mausers from Turkey floating about with the Nazi emblem on em. They usually rechamber them to 9 or 10mm.
I’ll pick up a copy of Shotgun News next time I’m in town & see whats available currently.

I have seen these restrictions imposed over the last two decades and conclude that they do little to stop crime but plenty to obstruct law-abiding citizens and to result in the prosecution of those unwittingly in possession of prohibited items. When I worked for a gunmakers, a young man we know ended up getting convicted of possessing a firearm. What did he have? The barrel of a P14 rifle that he had picked up at a militaria fair. It was utterly useless as a weapon unless used as a blunt instrument.

zrx61 THIRTY .30s for $380!!!!!!!!!!

Johnathan F – dont think HMGS are affected by the new spec laws only SMGs?

TT

I can spend all day on a range with a No.3, No4 or better still a No.5 and not have a sore shoulder :confused:

Torn rotator cuff etc courtesy of cartwheeling along an LA freeway at 70+mph for quite a distance 🙁

Better not buy your kids any water pistols this christmas….. 😮

My .303 isn’t very heavy & the only downsides to owning one is the cost of the ammo compared to 30.06 etc & the damage done to the shoulder after putting a pile of ammo thru it, I’m usually done for the day after 50-60 rounds.

I can spend all day on a range with a No.3, No4 or better still a No.5 and not have a sore shoulder :confused:

UK old spec M2’s? Perhaps. New spec (welded solid) less likely, and uneconomic. With access to said machine shop it would be easier to manufacture a weapon from scratch.

In the US they deactivate them by taking a gas axe to one side of the receiver & cutting a hole in it about 3 or 4 inches long. It’s a simple matter of drilling out the rivets, removing the damaged plate, machining up a new plate & rivet it in place. Managed to find a scrap yard back East that had a big pile of them to rummage thru for parts.
The ones I was involved with even had all the engraving on them.
Not exactly cheap to play with either, $2/round & 600 rounds per minute gets kinda expensive. 😮 Altho the reaction at the shooting range when everyone else is playing about with *normal* guns & some daft ****** opens up with a .50cal Ma Duece is kinda satisfying…. even more so when ya “test” 3 of em at the same time & lay waste to the targets with AP :diablo: (not allowed back there again for some reason)
I let the ex wife fire one of em, not one of my smartest moves… Her comment afterwards was “It jumps about a bit more than the Enfield” :rolleyes:

Fairly easy when ya have access to a machine shop, got 25+ M2’s “react’ed” about 12 years ago. I know for a fact that some of them are flying around in aircraft, 6 of em are in one aircraft….

UK old spec M2’s? Perhaps. New spec (welded solid) less likely, and uneconomic. With access to said machine shop it would be easier to manufacture a weapon from scratch. In fact there’s a slightly scary website by a guy who was put away for the requisite five years for designed and making his own sub-machinegun (amongst other weapons). Just because he could.

Think of the Sten. The .45 Liberator. Firearms are not difficult to make with the right tools, just one reason why legislation like this is a waste of chops (obscure Harry Hill reference, sorry).

Incidentally, I believe that there are no cases of reactivated deact guns….

Fairly easy when ya have access to a machine shop, got 25+ M2’s “react’ed” about 12 years ago. I know for a fact that some of them are flying around in aircraft, 6 of em are in one aircraft….

The govenment is pathetic how can a real but de-activated 303 be a danger to the public, have you ever seen CCTV footage of somebody holding up a bank with one.
The robber would struggle to lift off the ground if he tryed to fire it…

I think you mean M2’s, they weigh 85lb, & thats the *lightweight* version. My .303 isn’t very heavy & the only downsides to owning one is the cost of the ammo compared to 30.06 etc & the damage done to the shoulder after putting a pile of ammo thru it, I’m usually done for the day after 50-60 rounds.
The guns themselves are cheap tho, $380 for a crate of 10 last time I bought some.

I think we the LPG better keep a low profile, 728 still has her two 30mm Aden cannons fitted, deactived when the airforce delivered her in 88 of course

Not an issue unless you want to sell her, in which case you’ll need to explicitly state that you are providing them as a gift to the hypothetical buyer. Everyone can keep their deacs and replicas, they just won’t be able to buy more, make more, or sell the ones they have.

And no, you won’t be able to sell someone a £200 biro with “free” Bren gun.

deactived when the airforce delivered her in 88 of course

Complete with London or Birmingham Proof House certificate I assume 😉

I think we the LPG better keep a low profile, 728 still has her two 30mm Aden cannons fitted, deactived when the airforce delivered her in 88 of course

I was considering telling a similar story but in the present climate thought better of it. Beware Big Brother!!!

Roger Smith.

Am sure we came across a 30mm in a crate in the vulcan hangar about a year ago!

I think we the LPG better keep a low profile, 728 still has her two 30mm Aden cannons fitted, deactived when the airforce delivered her in 88 of course

Possession was never threatened. It’s (legal) buying and selling that stand to be made impossible, as well as making a “realistic imitation firearm”, the definition of which is likely to be fully established only by legal precedent. *cough* chair leg in a bag *cough*

Thats the wonderful thing about laws,Ian, they are often down to an interpretation (as I lawyer i tell my Clients that all the time)

there is a defence for possessing such items for historic/museum purposes – but not one for traders or simple collectors (who are not reenactors?) of such weapons so my point still stands…

TT

P.S.
It may well be fair to say that we dont know what the impact will be until it actually becomes LAW but prima facie it aint good muchacho….

Sorry TT

By nature of the defence clause which clearly states that :-

Specific defences applying to the offence under Section 32

(1) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under section 32 in respect of any conduct to show that the conduct was for the purpose only of making the imitation firearm in question available for one or more of the purposes specified in subsection (2).

(2) Those purposes are—

a) the purposes of a museum or gallery that does not distribute any profits it makes;

b) the purposes of theatrical performances and of rehearsals for such performances;

c) the production of films (within the meaning of Part 1 of the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 (c.48) – see section 5B of that Act);

d) the production of television programmes (within the meaning of the Communications Act 2003 (c. 21) – see section 405(1) of that act)

e) the organisations and holding of historical re-enactments organised and held by persons specified ir described for the purposes of this section by regulations made by the Secretary of State.

Personally I think any genuine re-enactors would be exonerated by this clause.