Visit to Svedinos Bil- och Flygmuseum (part 1 of several)

LimaNovember, in my car I travelled from Gothenburg to Gardermoen in 4.5 hours (mostly keeping to the speed limits) and Ugglarp is an hour and a half south, total 6 hours, I would think, especially if you call in to my place and have a revitalising cup of coffee!
A Broussard on the other hand should be able to land almost anywhere, there must be a private airstrip near Falkenberg, in fact Svedino himself flew aircraft right up to the museum, I believe. Try contacting Björn Svedfelt at the museum web site contact E-mail address. That’s the way I keep in touch with him.
I would be very pleased to join you if you make the trip.
Enough private chat for now, I am working on Parts 3 and 4 of this report and hope to get them on the thread tonight.

Thanks or tackar for your valuable information.4,5 hours to Gardermoen aint bad at all:-).Your pictures and texts are very good and im really enoyed the reading about the museum.Im responsible for planning activities in WON so a trip to Svedino could be a good alternative.

Thanks again Papa Lima

Does this mean a road trip is in planning???

T J

I havent decided anything yet:-).

Swedish Moths

There were 6 Moths at Såtenäs this year . . .

Papa Lima – Must say its refreshing to have a thread with substance and interest at the moment! Top marks for your efforts!

very much agreed, Roger Smith.

Keep up the great work Peter.
Fredric, nice to hear that the Moth has made the offical (…) first flight.

😀

I belive that makes the number of currently airwothy Tiger Moths in Sweden to 10, at least on the SE- register. Eleven with OY-FEY. Hopefully that will become a dozen when we celibrate “Tiger Moth – 75 year in Sweden” on the 16 June next year. On this day, 75 years earlier, SE-ADF was officaly registered for the first time. SE-ADF is the oldest airworthy Tiger Moth in the world 🙂

Thanks for your answer Papa Lima.I think it will take approx 5 hours with car from my home in Oslo, or 2 hours with the Broussard:-).

Does this mean a road trip is in planning???

T J

Car stuff would have to be on the GD Forum, a place where it is dangerous to tread (there be monsters over there!). Anyway, I only photographed some cars which brought back personal memories, such as the Austin 7 model in which I learned to drive at the age of 14 on an RAF taxi track (i.e. as soon as my legs were long enough, and in those days you had to double de-clutch the crash gearbox), and a similar model to the first car I ever owned, a Morris E from 1938 . . . memories . . .

Keep up the great work Peter.
Fredric, nice to hear that the Moth has made the offical (…) first flight.

Papa Lima,
A great post, thanks for sharing the collection with us.
If you want to share some of the vintage cars, I won’t mind!

I’m somewhat surprised that the prototype Draken isn’t in a national museum, as it was a huge achievement for Swedish aviation.

The last photo in part 3 was incorrect and has now been replaced by the Draken picture. Thanks to MikeJ who spotted this mistake from many thousands of miles away – eagle eyes!

Yes, I talked to Björn about this last week and he wants an English version done during the winter, which I have offered help with. In fact I am awaiting his go-ahead! I shall be E-mailing him tonight about your corrections.
The notes in my report only covered the aircraft that I photographed, there are more, including gliders, on site, and also as you have mentioned, others elsewhere.
In a way, I am trying to encourage others to visit, so they should know that there is more to see!

Keep up the good work, PL!! You have already translated a good part of the catalouge, will you do the rest? Björn would surly be very greatfull 🙂

I belive that the Svedino catalogoue was done in colaboration with the SFF.

Among the a/c of the Svedino collection on loan I forgot to mention the FFVS J 22!! This is in France on long time rebuild in order to fly again.

Thanks, SEF, my information came directly from the (new!) edition of the Svedinos catalogue, all I did was translate it. I will have to make sure that Björn sees your corrections!

I am very impressed with your work, Papa Lima! Just some small corrections….

22. Miles M38 Messenger 2A c/n 6703, built in 1947, G-AKAO then SE-BYY. Registered as new 27 June 1947 in the UK, it was sold to a Swedish owner on 7 September and went on to the Swedish register in the same month. It was used in the 1960s for airborne advertising, with light booms under the wings. This was the only Messenger to be imported to Sweden. It is now painted in a fictional RAF scheme.

It was reg SE-BYY on 30 September 1953, CofA exp 30 June 1970 and it was cancelled 26 October 1973. SE-BYY was bought by Svedino in June 1974. It is painted as – guess what? – RG333.

28. Saab J 32E Lansen Fv 32569, built in 1959. This 2-seat all-weather/night fighter variant of the A 32A had a more powerful engine and fighter radar. Now converted into a J 32B target tug, this aircraft arrived at Svedinos in 2001 from Malslätt.

The J 32E was the ECM-version converted from J 32B Lansen Sport airframes and the J 32D was the target tug.

The Målflygdivisionen (based at Malmen, disbanded in 1997) 20+ Lansen a/c
were marked according to the following system.

Fincode in 0- and 10-range: J 32E
Fincode in 20-range: J 32B (Dual controll equ.)
Fincode in 30-range: J 32D

Svedinos Part 4

31. Saab JA 37 Viggen Fv 37326, delivered to Flygvapnet on 17 September 1981and served in F 13 as 26, then F 17, also as 26. D-modified in 2002and used by Saab for further development of the Fighter Viggen system. Delivered to the museum in the spring of 2006.
32. In contrast, here is (Belgian Fairey) Tipsy B SE-AGP, c/n 504, built in 1937 and previously OO-DOT, registered in Belgium on 17 November 1937. Sold to Sweden on 23 December 1938. Had many different owners until its airworthiness certificate was revoked on 3 August 1962, and removed from the register on 29 October 1967. Arrived at the museum in 1965.
33. (Belgian Fairey) Tipsy S.2 OO-ASc registered in Belgium on 21 December 1936. Sold on 5 March 1937 to a Swedish owner and registered to Svensk Flygtjänst on 28 October 1938. Although widely advertised for sale, there were no takers and no more Tipsies were imported. One owner in 1939 was Erik Bratt, designer of the Saab 35 Draken. De-registered on 31 December 1951, although its C of A had already lapsed on 25 October 1940.

There are some other aircraft and a lot more cars at Svedinos, which is well worth a visit, I think. Anyone from outside Sweden contemplating a trip via Gothenburg is welcome to PM me as I may be able to help with transport, translation, etc.

Papa Lima

Svedinos Part 3 of 4

21. Lockheed CF-104D Starfighter, c/n 12667, built in 1965. This 2-seater began its service with the RCAF in West Germany and was sold to the Danish Air Force in 1971, with which it spent all its service life in 723 Sqn at Aalborg. Its last flight was in December 1982.
22. Miles M38 Messenger 2A c/n 6703, built in 1947, G-AKAO then SE-BYY. Registered as new 27 June 1947 in the UK, it was sold to a Swedish owner on 7 September and went on to the Swedish register in the same month. It was used in the 1960s for airborne advertising, with light booms under the wings. This was the only Messenger to be imported to Sweden. It is now painted in a fictional RAF scheme.
23. NA AT-6 Harvard, Sk 16, originally 42-12525, FH138, 14-772, finally Fv 16033. Served in the USAAF and then in the RAF; delivered to F 5 on 9 June 1947. Struck off on 10 March 1970, arriving at the museum on 28 June that year. Now repainted in its original yellow colour and marked F5-33.
24. Percival P.66 Pembroke C Mk 52, Tp 83, c/n P66/51, Fv 83007. Flown from the UK, delivered to the Swedish Air Force and accepted on 14 June 1955. Withdrawn from service on 20 December 1974 to be put on the F 14 fire dump in Halmstad, but rescued and delivered to the museum on 12 June 1975.
25. This is the second oldest preserved Tunnan, Saab J 29A c/n 203, Fv 29203. Delivered to F 9 on 7 November 1952 and served until withdrawn on 25 March 1973. It is complete with a preserved engine.
26. Saab 91D Safir c/n 91.364, served in the Finnish Air Force from 1959-1982 with marking SF-18. 89 of these were bought by the Swedish Air Force as basic trainers. This aircraft was delivered ex-factory to the Finnish Air Force on 17 April 1959, and ended up in the aviation museum at Tikkakoski, then shifted to Arlanda, Stockholm, from there to Linköping, and finally loaned to Svedinos in 2003.
27. Saab 105XT, SE-XBZ 2nd prototype, c/n 105-2 built in 1964 as SE-502. This is the aircraft which belly-landed at Farnborough in 1972, very embarrassing! However there was so little damage it flew again the next day. It went to the Flygvapenmuseum at Linköping in 1982 and was loaned to Svedinos in 2003.
28. Saab J 32E Lansen Fv 32569, built in 1959. This 2-seat all-weather/night fighter variant of the A 32A had a more powerful engine and fighter radar. Now converted into a J 32B target tug, this aircraft arrived at Svedinos in 2001 from Malslätt.
29. First prototype Saab 35-1 Draken, which first flew on 25 October 1955 piloted by Bengt Olow. This aircraft never went into Flygvapnet serviceand after testing by Saab was struck off on 20 December 1963, when it went to F 14 for use as a training aid by the Flygvapnet Technical School. It was bought for the museum in 1973.
30. Saab J 35J Draken Fv 35576, F 10-06. Delivered from Saab on 1 July 1969 as a J 35F to F 10 at Ängelholm, this aircraft was modified to J 35J at the end of the 1980s. Loaned to Svedinos from Linköping in September 2004.

The Svedino 1939 Tiger Moth SE-FNA is based at Halmstad. It flew again 9.9.06, the first time since October 1986.

Two aircraft are currently on loan to other collections. Sk 16A (Harvard IIb) 16028 is with the VVF at Såtenäs AB and Sk 12 (Fw44J) SE-BWZ is at Aeroseum. Both are beeing restored to flying condition. Auster SE-CGR could be the next in line…

Pic of 16028: http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b379/HBergman/16och35.jpg

Lima November: Varberg is a good choice but Falkenberg is closer: Morup is on the Northern side of Falkenberg. And of course further South there is Halmstad. I estimate the distance to Svedinos from Morup or Halmstad is allmost the same: slighty over 20 km.

There have been some thoughts about making an airstrip in conection of the the museum. Björn has better relations to the neighbours compared to his father, so let’s hope for the best 🙂

Papa Lima – Must say its refreshing to have a thread with substance and interest at the moment! Top marks for your efforts!

Well said that man, and thanks for the pics some loverly machines there.

LimaNovember, in my car I travelled from Gothenburg to Gardermoen in 4.5 hours (mostly keeping to the speed limits) and Ugglarp is an hour and a half south, total 6 hours, I would think, especially if you call in to my place and have a revitalising cup of coffee!
A Broussard on the other hand should be able to land almost anywhere, there must be a private airstrip near Falkenberg, in fact Svedino himself flew aircraft right up to the museum, I believe. Try contacting Björn Svedfelt at the museum web site contact E-mail address. That’s the way I keep in touch with him.
I would be very pleased to join you if you make the trip.
Enough private chat for now, I am working on Parts 3 and 4 of this report and hope to get them on the thread tonight.

Papa Lima – Must say its refreshing to have a thread with substance and interest at the moment! Top marks for your efforts!

David,

You have my vote on that one!

Regards

Eric