Volkswagen in trouble!

I hope you left it in mint condition.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, HOWEVER, some years ago, I purchased a V.W. Polo for my wife from a main dealer. Brand new. We had only driven about half a mile, when the gearbox packed up. It took legal action to get V.W. to exchange the car for another new one. They just wanted to repair the gearbox in the new one. Perchance it was a “Friday” built one.
Jim
Lincoln .7

A few years ago I purchased a V W Polo.
Had to take it back as I found a hole in it.

Of course none of this was prompted by the American auto manufacturers was it?

Moggy

It would appear the EPA have been looking into Volkswagen since early 2014! and finely threatened not to approve the affected models for sale next year before Volkswagen came um clean! that’s why Volkswagen have withdrawn them from sale as they no longer meet type approval and to add insult to injury for those that have brought them they cant sell them until the issue is fixed, they probably cant even drive them legally on the road!

I believe the authorities in the US have said that the vehicles can continue to be used and sold on as normal, especially since they will be recalled to ‘fix’ the problem.

VW/Audi can’t sell any new vehicles until it is sorted

It would appear the EPA have been looking into Volkswagen since early 2014! and finely threatened not to approve the affected models for sale next year before Volkswagen came um clean! that’s why Volkswagen have withdrawn them from sale as they no longer meet type approval and to add insult to injury for those that have brought them they cant sell them until the issue is fixed, they probably cant even drive them legally on the road!

What about Skoda and Seat vehicles? Also, since when did the US care about vehicle emissions? Whenever I see Americans discussing cars online they are proud of the fact that they squeezed ~30 mpg out of their US-built vehicles.

Not wishing to thread drift too much, but have you noticed how many
Toyota Prius cars are used in US films and TV series ?

Meddle – the US has been legislating under clean air acts and amendments to the original 1953 act for decades. Certainly for a great deal longer and more stringently than most European countries.

As I understand it, for diesels to pass the NOx tests in California, they have to inject urea into the catalyst- car companies call this system ‘AdBlue’.

AdBlue? It’s pig wee…..apparently! 🙂

Those figures quoted by VW seem quite high; you’ll be refilling your AdBlue tank every five times you fill-up with diesel? Seems to cost about £1 per litre on eBay (not the genuine VW stuff); anybody actually bought any? Not sure I like the idea of the engine refusing to run if the AdBlue tank is empty.

What about Skoda and Seat vehicles? Also, since when did the US care about vehicle emissions? Whenever I see Americans discussing cars online they are proud of the fact that they squeezed ~30 mpg out of their US-built vehicles.

Peugeot and Citroen use a similar system to the vw adblue so im not going to hold my breath! Ive topped several of them up over the past few years but strangely not one of the vw ones yet!

The others are claiming they knew nothing. All VW diesels apparently have the gadget fitted. Mine included..

It is not all VAG diesels, it is the 4 cylinder 2L EA 189, produced from 2009 to present. So not the 6 cylinder, 5 cylinder or 3 cylinder engines, nor the PD engines pre 2008.

This is what has been admitted, so far at least.

Still a large number involved

The others are claiming they knew nothing. All VW diesels apparently have the gadget fitted. Mine included..

Umm…..do we think that VW are the only manufacturors to be guilty of this little…er….mistake?

11 million cars world wide i cant help thinking there going to need more than the £4.7 billion they’ve put aside already!

The real problem with Diesels compared to petrols is Nitrogen Oxide emissions NOx

As I understand it, for diesels to pass the NOx tests in California, they have to inject urea into the catalyst- car companies call this system ‘AdBlue’.

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/diesel/adblue

The AdBlue tanks are a finite size. allegedly the VW system detected when under test, made sure the urea was being injected then when the test was finished it turned the injection down or off to save having to top up the AdBlue so often.

Relatively few cars in the UK use AdBlue, but it seems that other tweaks may have been used on European cars to get good emission results, it is now being reported that 11million vehicles worldwide are affected in some way.

This is a issue of legislation not one of safety or reliability. The United States, especially California, has some of the toughest emissions regulations in the world but the regulations probably state that the vehicles have to pass the emissions test and the Volkswagen vehicles in question were passing the emissions test albeit by recognising that they were being tested and modifying their performance specifically to pass the test.

Volkswagen are right at the top of the tree when it comes to engineering; I cannot believe that other manufacturers vehicles can pass these tests and Volkswagen vehicles cannot pass them, therefore the subterfuge is most probably one of performance, either more power or more economy.

Ironically, a small economical VW diesel saloon will probably have much more difficulty passing these emission tests than a big thirsty V8 petrol pick-up truck! Which one produces ‘more’ pollution?

The American authorities seem to be more paranoid over these matters than those in the UK.
It wouldn’t surprise me if nothing happens in this country, even if it applies to cars here.

I might be a bit miffed if I’d bought a car here, then found I had to pay more road tax.

I’ll stick with my Honda for now.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, HOWEVER, some years ago, I purchased a V.W. Polo for my wife from a main dealer. Brand new. We had only driven about half a mile, when the gearbox packed up. It took legal action to get V.W. to exchange the car for another new one. They just wanted to repair the gearbox in the new one. Perchance it was a “Friday” built one.
Jim
Lincoln .7

Dont worry Jim as a car mechanic I can tell you volkswagens are very reliable cars, just not very environmentally friendly :p

I know that this news is not funny, but just had to phone my son up today, as this afternoon he collected his new car…. Yup, you’ve guessed it, a V.W. Golf..diesel to boot….:D
Jim
Lincoln .7