March 24, 2004 at 7:04 pm
I’ve been asked the following question, and wonder if anyone can help:
I am trying to find out more about a flypast tribute made by a Vulcan following the sad loss of Bluebird & Campbell in the lake district.
Have you come across this story at all? If so do you have any details?
I know 101 Sqdn flew them but they were not the only Sqdn I think? My uncle by the way was with 101 Sqdn during WW2, sadly he did not make it to the end of the war like so many of Bomber Commands airmen.
Maybe someone knows which bird was involved, crew details, exact dates, etc.?
Thanks,
By: 682al - 25th March 2004 at 14:02
Thanks for the info about the video, guys. I hadn’t thought to search Ebay, but at the prices mentioned, I don’t think I’ll be obtaining a copy that way! Still, at least I now know it was actually released and may turn up at the local flea market one day.
By: Black Knight - 25th March 2004 at 12:35
Originally posted by Hatton
IT CERTAINLY WAS RELEASED BUT AROUND THE ACTUALLY TIME, IVE SEEN THEM GO ON EBAY BETWEEN £30 AND £107 (YES THATS RIGHT).I’D DEARLY LOVE TO SEE THE FILM AS IM A BIG HOPKINS FAN
🙂 STEVE
Across The Lake was only released on video in Austrailia. I had an original copy which i put onto DVD & then got £146 on ebay for it. The video version was about 6 mins longer than the one shown on BBC 1.
It is now in the vaults of the British Film Library & will probably never be seen again. There are 1000’s of people worldwide who want this released on DVD & video but the only replies you get to e-mails are “we don’t own the rights”.
By: Black Knight - 25th March 2004 at 11:46
Originally posted by LesB
682alThis is the “mention”. . .
The Malcolm Campbell incident was Don Dale. He was threatened with court martial for illegal low flying. His real offence was ****ing off the brass who hadn’t though of the idea and were embarrassed by the praise heaped on ‘A lone Vulcan pays a personal tribute’. The court martial would have failed because:
1. The rules required that the aircraft fly within 1.5 nm of track on 95% of occasions. Windermere was off track but less than 5% of the time.
2. He wasn’t low flying. He was at 2,000 feet.
BTW, he was on 12 Sqn.
It was Malcolm’s son Donald and it took place on Coniston.
The inquest into the crash basically say’s the the water was too rough as he didn’t wait for his wake to die down and made his return run within 4 mins of the 1st run and that he tried to stop K7 too quickly i.e reducing the throttle & deplying the water brake too quickly causing the nose to lift. K7 was decelerating & was doing about 280mph when she took off & hit the water at about 185mph. K7 is currently in store with a hope of restoration to full running order as she was on the morning of 4/1/67. Bill Smith who lead the team that recovered K7 has stated that the front engine mounting bracket had broken which he in convinced that was the main cause of the crash but the official investigators don’t think it broke before the impact with the water.
By: LesB - 25th March 2004 at 09:28
682al
This is the “mention”. . .
The Malcolm Campbell incident was Don Dale. He was threatened with court martial for illegal low flying. His real offence was ****ing off the brass who hadn’t though of the idea and were embarrassed by the praise heaped on ‘A lone Vulcan pays a personal tribute’. The court martial would have failed because:
1. The rules required that the aircraft fly within 1.5 nm of track on 95% of occasions. Windermere was off track but less than 5% of the time.
2. He wasn’t low flying. He was at 2,000 feet.
BTW, he was on 12 Sqn.
By: Hatton - 25th March 2004 at 00:36
IT CERTAINLY WAS RELEASED BUT AROUND THE ACTUALLY TIME, IVE SEEN THEM GO ON EBAY BETWEEN £30 AND £107 (YES THATS RIGHT).
I’D DEARLY LOVE TO SEE THE FILM AS IM A BIG HOPKINS FAN
🙂 STEVE
By: 682al - 25th March 2004 at 00:01
I think the Vulcan fly past is mentioned in one of the many replies to the “Did you fly the Vulcan?” thread on the Pprune Military Aircrew forum.
As an aside, I thoroughly enjoyed the BBC production “Across The Lake”, starring Anthony Hopkins as Campbell. I thought it brilliantly re-created the latter days at Coniston and the air of growing dispair that surrounded the project. An “ex” eventually taped an episode of “Heartbeat” over my much played copy of it….sigh 🙁
I don’t think it’s ever been officially released. Anyone got a spare copy?
By: tailslide - 24th March 2004 at 22:11
I was talking with Lews wife last week about it and she was remarking how tragic it was etc… so I assumed they were there but I will double check.I also asked Lew the cause of the accident (Im no expert on the subject and have read no literature on it ) but he said simply it wasnt designed to go that fast and Donald knew it .
By: Black Knight - 24th March 2004 at 21:46
I know Ken was ther but i have never heard of Lew being at any of Donald’s latter attempts. Don’t hold me to that though it’s just i’ve not read anything with him mentioned much in any book other than Into The Water Barrier by Donald himself in 1955.
By: tailslide - 24th March 2004 at 21:04
I am aquainted with Lew Norris and his wife and I know they were there on that day so I can ask them if they know anything about the flypast.
By: Black Knight - 24th March 2004 at 20:55
Lancman, it’s mentioned in With Campbell At Coniston & The Bluebird Years. Haven’t found anything else out yet.
By: Bluebird Mike - 24th March 2004 at 19:14
Good Lord, I’m a Campbell enthusiast with most of the books on the subject, and yet I have heard nothing about that one! I’ll go see what I can find out…
By: Black Knight - 24th March 2004 at 19:13
As far as i can make out from the book ‘With Campbell At Coniston’. It was on the same day as the crash & the book just says ‘ a lone Royal Air Force Vulcan bomber flew low over the surface of the lake and, when over the scene of the crash, it’s wings were dipped 3 times in tribute.’
HTH