Vulcan set to fly

My understanding is that there will be a high tech “battle bus” travelling to airshows and when not flying to schools and other educational establishments.

Gotta say, I’d love that job.

me too!!!!1

My understanding is that there will be a high tech “battle bus” travelling to airshows and when not flying to schools and other educational establishments.

Gotta say, I’d love that job.

😉

You said it…… 😀

Go on, it’s the latter isn’t it….

I too think this educational promotion of the Vulcan is a bit suspect. I can see it’s worht as a promotional tool but I cant trips of schoolkids on the bus to Bruntingthorpe (or wherever it may be based) for tours. The only real educational exposure it will get is via airshows. In the end though, saying that it is an educational tool is what gets the lottery fund going and thats what they need to do. Lancman put it quite nicely really.

What if (i’m ready to be shot down in flames here) little Jimmy and his classmates are all being taught about the Cold War in their history lesson when Mrs Barnacle leads the class out to the school field where, bloody hell, whats this thing approaching us? XH558 on a crew currency flight, that’s what! She does one low flypast and little Johnny and his mates wet themselves and, straight away want to know more about not just the cold war but our aviation heritage. Off one thunderous flypast….
:diablo:

Or am I talking complete and utter b*****ks?

Sparky, sorry, i was mentioning John C’s Opera mention in my earlier post. The burning of the warehouse would not be classed as art though as it meets non of the definitions of the term, ‘art’. :diablo: 😉

Just for the record I don’t like Emin’s art all that much but i can be objective and see it’s place in the contemporary art scene. Her art is provoking the same reaction that the impressionists work created in some quarters at first. Will we in 100 years regard her work as the ‘norm’ and her as a master of her craft? Quite possibly not but who knows. I think though if we want more money on aviation projects than we need to project the positives of our own interests rather than our perceived negatives of those of others.

I too think this educational promotion of the Vulcan is a bit suspect. I can see it’s worht as a promotional tool but I cant trips of schoolkids on the bus to Bruntingthorpe (or wherever it may be based) for tours. The only real educational exposure it will get is via airshows. In the end though, saying that it is an educational tool is what gets the lottery fund going and thats what they need to do. Lancman put it quite nicely really.

As for chavs etc etc John C, i’ve just come back from Lincoln to Bradford on the train and have had to put up with several of them opposite me…… your point is noted and appreciated 😎

1). The customer must trust you.

2). The customer must have confidence in you.

Really? I have customers who trust me, and they have confidence in me too. Didn’t stop my business going to the wall 🙁

I simply didn’t have enough of them !!!!

Ok, I’ve just been thinking ( yeah I know I shouldn’t 🙂 )

As a salesman I’ve got quiet a few years experiance in the world of marketing products and services. When you’re selling or marketing a product in my experiance the two most vital things are ;

1). The customer must trust you.

2). The customer must have confidence in you.

Just a thought but I think it might explain alot?

Just about sums up the whole debate really.

Moggy

I’m guilty of bringing Opera into the debate I’m afraid – hate the bloody stuff. Loads of sweaty fat people wailing about stuff in Italian[1].

I thought Tracey Ermin’s chicken on a stick thing in Liverpool was lottery funded – but the point I was trying to make is that a lot of money is donated towards some pretty dodgy art projects, and the Vulcan is something I’d rather throw funds (and have funds thrown) at 🙂

JC
[1] I’m an engineer. Don’t expect an appreciation of culture. The only culture I know is the one growing in that forgotten coffee cup down the workshop 🙂 [2]

[2]Have a think about whether I really mean it, or just trying to be provocative….[3]

[3]Unless it’s about Neds, Chavs or Pikeys. Then I mean it.

I’m with you Lancman on all this educational stuff – thats just a smoke screen.

Steve, I don’t think the education thing would be effected by painting it in th wrong colours and yes like you I don’t care a monkies what colour they paint it. Lets not open that one again…..

Nuclear White though – that would make a great advertising background!

Although it may sound good when presented to the Lottry people, I think this notion of restoring the Vulcan to flight for ‘educational’ purposes is a load of old rubbish. Yes, of course it has an important history etc, but let’s be totally honest here, we all just want it back up in the air for the sheer sight and sound of the thing, don’t we? Likewise, Little Johhny will go ‘Ooooh’ and possibly dampen his shorts at the magnificent sight, but he’s not going to give two hoots about any ‘educational value’!

As for the opera, im quite glad it got the money. It may be out of my direct sphere of interest but they’ve done a lot to introduce opera to the masses since the renovation. Im not going to join the masses who get upset because it hasn’t been spent on something im interested in.

I don’t remember mentioning the opera???? :confused:

And I was just making a comparison with

Tracy Emins poxy tent or old soiled bed clothes.

I know they where part of the saatchi collection, and heres a thought is a burning warehouse considered as ART??? :dev2:
My point was that The Vulcan project or the opera or the funding of the restoration or preservation of a building or monument (Shame about Brightons West Peir where has that money gone???) are tangible and worthy courses where as some ‘arty’ type Lovey’s concept of art is not.

Ok, I’ve just been thinking ( yeah I know I shouldn’t 🙂 )

As a salesman I’ve got quiet a few years experiance in the world of marketing products and services. When you’re selling or marketing a product in my experiance the two most vitale things are ;

1). The customer must trust you.

2). The customer must have confidence in you.

If you have these it doesn’t matter if you are charging more for the same product as Joe Bloggs down the round people will buy from you as they feel more comfortable. The VTTS campaign has not made any attempt to satisfy these two critera, but it has managed to get two large aerospace companies to come out of there comfort zone and back the project. VTTSCM has on this forum I believe said that there are plenty of industry supporters out there who want to use the aircraft for advertising and sponsorship after wheels off. Could I perhaps be jumping to the wrong conclusion if I was to say that the reason the HLF and some major companies have got behind the project is because a deal has perhaps already been struck with a large organisation to fund the aircraft’s operation after it takes to the sky? And the reason this has not been announced is because perhaps they want to paint it in that compaines colours? The net upshot of this being that if they announce the deal that the aircraft will be funded by a large organisation and flown in there colours the donations would stop overnight?

Just a thought but I think it might explain alot?

an interesting thought, but I thought the HLF were backing the project because of it’s education value, this wouldnt be served by a Vulcan in a predominantly non service scheme. Maybe smaller logos though.

In my humble opinion, if it is painted in bright pink, I dont care if the alternative is a grounded vulcan. We’ve done the topic of paint schemes on aircraft to death though so………… 🙂

Ok, I’ve just been thinking ( yeah I know I shouldn’t 🙂 )

As a salesman I’ve got quiet a few years experiance in the world of marketing products and services. When you’re selling or marketing a product in my experiance the two most vitale things are ;

1). The customer must trust you.

2). The customer must have confidence in you.

If you have these it doesn’t matter if you are charging more for the same product as Joe Bloggs down the round people will buy from you as they feel more comfortable. The VTTS campaign has not made any attempt to satisfy these two critera, but it has managed to get two large aerospace companies to come out of there comfort zone and back the project. VTTSCM has on this forum I believe said that there are plenty of industry supporters out there who want to use the aircraft for advertising and sponsorship after wheels off. Could I perhaps be jumping to the wrong conclusion if I was to say that the reason the HLF and some major companies have got behind the project is because a deal has perhaps already been struck with a large organisation to fund the aircraft’s operation after it takes to the sky? And the reason this has not been announced is because perhaps they want to paint it in that compaines colours? The net upshot of this being that if they announce the deal that the aircraft will be funded by a large organisation and flown in there colours the donations would stop overnight?

Just a thought but I think it might explain alot?

Sounds like they had 20/20 vision to me!!

whys that then ? 🙂

T Saatchi offered the pieces of art free to the nation and was turned down by short sighted curators.

Sounds like they had 20/20 vision to me!!

I fully agree with you JC the lottery money is better spent in my opinion in preserving this countries aviation heritage than on Tracy Emins poxy tent or old soiled bed clothes.

Then you will be delighted to know that Tracy Emins ‘poxy tent’ or ‘old soiled bed clothes’ have never actually been purchased with National Lottery money, they are actually owned by Charles Saatchi. And for the record, Saatchi offered the pieces of art free to the nation and was turned down by short sighted curators.

As for the opera, im quite glad it got the money. It may be out of my direct sphere of interest but they’ve done a lot to introduce opera to the masses since the renovation. Im not going to join the masses who get upset because it hasn’t been spent on something im interested in.

best regards, steve

All your heart desires, can be found here:

http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/index.html

Thank you very much for that link, RobAnt. 🙂
These photographs are quite impressive.

Cheers, Transall.

Anybody got any pics of her in flight? or any vulcan for that matter

Cheers

All your heart desires, can be found here:

http://www.avrovulcan.org.uk/index.html