Vultee Vengeance series – Help needed.

Tim mentioned JF767, it was test flown by Norwegian Leif Lundsten in 1943.

Santiago !

Here is one more link – I feel sure, it will be useful for You:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?31169-Royal-Indian-Air-Force-in-WW2-Lots-of-Rare-Pics

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A new batch of 4 new Vultee Vengance has been completed by my father. Here are some photos:

11) Vultee Vengeance Mk IV A27-501 RAAF – 1 APU – Fitted with the “Christmas Tree exhaust”

12) Vultee Vengeance Mk IV FB953 – 721 at RNSA Ponam (Admirantly Insland)

13) Vultee Vengeance HB416

14) Vultee Vengeance Mk III FB918 RAF

Here you can see a photo showing the 14 Vultee Vengeance done so far by my father.

I hope you like it.

Cheers
Santiago

Hi

My father has finished two more models. Here are the photos.

6) Vultee Vengeance Mk I V FD216 – RNAF

7) Vultee Vengeance Mk I A27-12 – SHQ Laverton

Many thanks

Kind regards
Santiago

Hi Danny42C

Many thanks. Yes, that is why we decided to include it in our project.

After a hard work made by my father, two more Vultee Vengeance are completed.

Here are the final photos

4) Vultee Vengeance Mk IV – RAAF – A27-419 – 7 CU

5) Vultee Vengeance Mk IV HB484 – Egypt

Cheers
Santiago

diamant,

Lovely models – even though the radio mast’s got a bit bent on the last few ! Your No. 22 (Mk III FB986) was one of my aircraft at Cannanore ’45/’46.

Danny42C

Belatedly – and no help with colours – those flown with AFDU in India.

AN 696
AN 699
AN 781
AP 114
AP 119
BA 134
BA 699 (?)
EZ 828
EZ 987

= Tim

Hi

I would like to thank all of you for the valuable information posted here.

Just to let you know our progress on this project please find below the list of the aircrafts to be included on this project:

1 Vultee Vengeance Mk I RAAF A27-9
2 Vultee Vengeance Mk IA RAAF A27-60 SJ-X 25
3 Vultee Vengeance Mk IV RAF HB484
4 Vultee Vengeance Mk IV RAAF A27-419
5 Vultee Vengeance Mk I RAAF A27-9
6 Vultee Vengeance Mk IV RAAF A27-610
7 Vultee Vengeance Mk IV RAAF A27-412 KF-V
8 Vultee Vengeance Mk I RAAF A29-12
9 Vultee Vengeance Mk I RAF AN838
10 Vultee Vengeance Mk II RAAF A27-17
11 Vultee Vengeance Mk I/II RAF AF745
12 Vultee Vengeance SEAC FB918
13 Vultee Vengeance RAAF A27 233
14 Vultee Vengeance RAAF A27 235
15 Vultee Vengeance RAAF A27 501
16 Vultee Vengeance IV RAAF A27-204
17 Vultee Vengeance RAAF A27-220
18 Vultee Vengeance SEAC (serial unknown)
19 Vultee Vengeance Mk IV RAF FD243
20 Vultee Vengeance Mk IV RNAF FD216
21 Vultee Vengeance Mk III IAF FB922
22 Vultee Vengeance Mk III RAF FB986/M

So far, my father (Raúl Hrubisko) has made 3 of them. Here are the photos

1) Vultee Vengeance Mk I A27-9 RAAF Laverton, Near Melbourne – September 1942 – Before sending to 1 AD, Laverton

2) Vultee Vengeance Mk IV A27-9 – RAAF– Target Tug.

3) Vultee Vengeance Mk IV A27-610 1 CU – RAAF – Target Tug.

Here are the first three together at the display cabinet

I have to thanks Peter Malone for your incredible help on the RAAF Vengeance.

I hope you like them.

Cheers
Santiago

The only thing that I have to judge from are the few color photos (of the one that’s been preserved shown earlier in the thread, which may or may not be original paint), and black and white photos, which unless one’s sure of what contemporary color schemes were for a type of aircraft, it’s a case of best guess.

After seeing some HQ photos of the preserved Vengeance, it looks like it’s earth brown instead of sea grey–most RAF fighters had that color scheme in the South Pacific. But most aircraft that served in India and most in the Pacific Theater during late World War II adopted the ET color scheme or either sea grey/earth green/sky, or, especially PR aircraft, silver, though Mosquito fighters in the Pacfic also used an overall silver color scheme.

However, B&W photos hare still deciviing at times due to quality–some DH Hornet photos make the color scheme look like silver upper/dark blue lower, when it’s actually sea grey upper and cerulean blue (AKA PRU blue) undersides. The latter was used in post war by PR and high altitude fighter aircraft in the RAF.

ChernKStewfan,

As I remember, most of them were so muddy (for they were never washed – except by the monsoon), that it was hard to see what colours they had originally been !

Danny42C

As far as Vengence color schemes, since most were used in South East Asia, most probably had the “SEAC” color scheme for single engined fighters, of earth brown, earth green upper surfaces and sky undersides (think pre-1941 RAF Fighter Command colors), though in India, most RAF aircraft that flew during the day had the standard European Theater color scheme of dark sea grey, earth green and sky.

That’s why this Forum is so valuable?

= Tim

ChernKStewfan,

I stand corrected ! Shows, you’re never too old to learn – thanks !

Danny42C

Ah, well!

The VIIIs that I flew were MV145, MV436, JG560, MT944, MA393 & JF676.

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= Tim

Actually, the Spitfires pictured are Mk Vs. The Vokes filters and coupled exhaust stubs are the giveaways usually. The Mk VIII and Mk IX Spitfires had much smaller filters built into the supercharger intake (looks like an extended intake, sort of like what tropicalized Mosquitoes had). Mk VIIIs also had retractable tail wheels.

Cotteswold, re your #23:

Tim,

These are Spitfire VIIIs, the svelte lines spoiled by the tropical filters. I left 8 Sqdn about that time, but always thought that they went onto the Spitfire XIV. (The VIIIs had been out in India from (IIRC) the end of ’43).

Danny42C

Fantastic Photographs Tim… though I believe MA286 was a Spitfire V and thus didnt serve with 8 Squadron. (Only 1 Mk V served – that was with 4 Squadron MA364 )

And please do keep posting – love this stuff!

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My apologies for my (hopefully unnoticed by most) earlier interjection into such an erudite discussion.
It was my intention to say a quick ‘hello’ to Santiago. Unfortunately my attachment showed the story of my life. Uncalled for.

But I am so glad that I came across this thread – with its links, so full of wonderful stories.

While here, may I offer these photos that I took – I think – on 26 October 1944. They may have some connection with 8 Squadron?

= all the best, Tim

Jagan,

Well met ! It is long, long ago (almost 70 years) and I’m afraid memories for names and faces grow dim as time goes by. But as regards 8 Sqdn, I think if you dig about in Bharat Rakshak you’ll find that some unknown hero on the Sqdn has done most of the work for you. There is a “List of Officers and Aircrew” there which is pretty comprehensive.

A tip, most of the RAF “infusion” of crews, which were needed for the two Flights with which were going into action, all came in in a bunch around Nov ’43, so it is easy to pick them out on the List.

I Post under this name on a site called PPRuNe > Military Aircrew > Gaining an RAF Pilots Brevet in WW2. I start on p.115 #2554 et seq. The whole of my Indian sojourn follows later on.

Cheers, Danny42C

Thanks Danny.

I had put together that list a couple of years ago by referring to the ORB. I am glad to know that it is accurate. I have been reading your memoirs on pprune since yesterday and very lovely to read all that! Thank you for sharing your experiences!

Jagan,

Well met ! It is long, long ago (almost 70 years) and I’m afraid memories for names and faces grow dim as time goes by. But as regards 8 Sqdn, I think if you dig about in Bharat Rakshak you’ll find that some unknown hero on the Sqdn has done most of the work for you. There is a “List of Officers and Aircrew” there which is pretty comprehensive.

A tip, most of the RAF “infusion” of crews, which were needed for the two Flights with which were going into action, all came in in a bunch around Nov ’43, so it is easy to pick them out on the List.

I Post under this name on a site called PPRuNe > Military Aircrew > Gaining an RAF Pilots Brevet in WW2. I start on p.115 #2554 et seq. The whole of my Indian sojourn follows later on.

Cheers, Danny42C