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Just out of interest Lukeylad, did u get your swissport job?

I’d be throwing ‘Mr-I’m-Very-Important’ out of the emergency exit complete with his carry-on bag, overcoat, suit carrier, briefcase, laptop bag and duty-free :diablo:

LMAO. Often tempted, haven’t done it. Yet!

1L.

So if it’s what you want and you are physically capable, why not?

1L.

Loss of patience.

I certainly find that with advancing years I am far less tolerant of the idiocies of my fellow man.

I’m sure were I a cabin steward I’d be throwing ‘Mr-I’m-Very-Important’ out of the emergency exit complete with his carry-on bag, overcoat, suit carrier, briefcase, laptop bag and duty-free :diablo:

XIIVVX

But is it really a job you want to be doing at 50+ ?

That’s an interesting point. I work with crew up to the age of 60. Without a doubt it’s a job that keeps you young at heart, and almost without exception I would consider my colleagues over the age of 50 to be the best I work with.

So if it’s what you want and you are physically capable, why not?

1L.

I think the role of cabin crew will have changed so much by the time I reach 50!

I can’t see myself still shuffiling through the aisle with a heavy trolley at that grand old age, but i’m still young and i’m enjoying my job… the company I work for is fantastic and I do hope to move onwards and upwards…. so watch this space…. but if that doesn’t happen I am happy where I am (for the time being!)

Moggy C your comment has frustrated me for several reasons…..

Fair comment.

I was guilty of thoughtless shooting from the hip. Apologies.

But is it really a job you want to be doing at 50+ ?

Moggy

I think kudos must go out to NCLRULES, its obiously something you are clearly wanting to achieve and I really do hope in 10 years time i’ll be on a flight and you’ll be in flying the plane!

Moggy C your comment has frustrated me for several reasons…..

I am Cabin Crew for an airline that will remain unnamed! Whilst you raise some fair points about the job of CC not being glamorous, etc it is certainly a fun job! Yes there are the bad days when you have a plan full of dissatisfied passengers, but usually your working with a great crew who will soon pick you up. I couldn’t do a 9-5 job…. every day is different and 99.9% of the time I enjoy my work and have fun whilst I am at work! How many people come home from work and say they have had a great day??

The job doesn’t go anywhere? Well thats a matter of opinion…. it depends what you are looking for in a career…. Promotion to Senior, a training position or another role within the company. So again I disagree, its not dead end…. the oppurtunities are there, if your willing to take them!

And whats all this about being female and maybe finding a husband…. I’ve met a fair few gay pilots and i’d certainly become a house husband on their wages (joke, I enjoy my work 2 much!)

But to anyone considering a job in the airline industry, bar the odd role (pilot) its not the best pay… infact lets be honest its appaling…. education is so important, the majority of people I have flown with have degrees behind them…. so even if you don’t need it for your role go to uni, if not just for the experience!

I don’t consider myself a trolley dolly….. my training course was so hard…. yes we may serve tea and coffee the majoirty of the time, i’m not denying that, but its only the odd few in the industry who look upon us as that these days. Most folks in the flight deck see our role as changing, esp with the happenings of the past 7 days…. remember even those in the flight deck may call upon our help at some point…. if your sat in that flight deck and your not feeling too good, our medical training may be the difference between you living and dying.

Dear A330.

You and I are separated by over forty years.

At your age all I ever wanted to be was a fighter pilot, Hunters, Javelins, perhaps Lightnings.

Then, once I’d had my fun the plan was to be snapped up by an eager airline and see out my days flying Comets to the Med.

It didn’t work out.

It’s so easy to sit back at your age and believe that the old farts know nothing because the answers you get from them aren’t the ones you are seeking.

So here’s what I would do given my experience if I were lucky enough to be in your position.

1) Give up all ideas of a cabin crew job. It isn’t glamorous, it isn’t fun, it doesn’t lead anywhere, it doesn’t pay well, it’s a dead end. If you are female you might possibly snare a rich husband, but that’s a gamble, not a certainty.

2) You need the best education you can get. A university degree is great because you can possible go somewhere there is a University Air Squadron and have your initial training paid for.

3) If that leads to the RAF then it’s a far better plan than being a trolley dolly.

4) If it doesn’t lead to the RAF then with your degree, and with your pilot’s licence you will have a tiny advantage in the cut and thrust world of looking for pilot training sponsorship.

5) If you can’t get the sponsorship this is the time to put the elbow on your folks and having proved you can apply yourself to study they might feel happier about supporting you in your career training.

6) Don’t give up. When my pilot ambitions came to naught I switched my ambitions to the world of advertising. Everybody told me it was hard, difficult, impossible to break into. I stuck at it and eventually found myself working for the best ad agency in the UK (world, actually). It can be done, but you have to stick at it.

7) Ditch any thoughts that you need to stay in the Liverpool area. The world is bigger and better than that.

Moggy

Trust me, I’m from Liverpool and I’m a pilot.

Thanks for the comment Flex 35.

No problem mate.

As I said quite a way back in this thread many UK airlines (both the locos and the charters) are taking a hell of a lot of foreign guys now – from Eastern Europe etc. As the demand for pilots at the moment is as big as it has been for some time, so airlines are consequently taking on these guys. So the demand is definitely there at least, whether it will be like that in years to come is another thing.

It is expensive for the training, but there is always a way there. Again like you said the RAF route is an option perhaps, maybe especially for you as it seems you into it.

Just concentrate on getting the best grades you can and keep doing the stuff your doing and you’ll probably get there in the end.

Flex

That was a brilliant post NCLRULES, and one that many people should take notice of.

Unfortunately, I have never been involved with any of the organisations you have listed. Sounds like you have a very busy, and extremely interesting life!

With me not been involved in any of those, and with no A levels, I am hoping to work as despatch for several years starting next year, and save the money to train to be a pilot. How long this may take, I have no idea. I have several goals in life that I wish to acheive before then. Maybe it will be my 30’s before I seriously look into pilot training, I really dont know.

Good luck for the future mate, you deserve it :).

ok ill look for another job withg more momney

Like people on this thread have already hinted at (including me), your obviously not mature enough yet to discuss this seriously. Proves it with that comment right there, we’ll actually have a better discussion if you don’t participate in it.

Now, back to sanity.

NCLRULES,

You sound like ideal material for a potential sponsorship. People like you are exactly what they look for in terms of you do every thing you can possibly do when it comes to after school clubs, teamwork, community work etc and not nessacarely know a great deal about the flying side of things.

Although for me all the stuff you mentioned, defiantly isn’t my thing. I tried the Air Training Corps a few years back and quite frankly the place I was in my opinion was full of tossers – management etc and the general people it attracts. This seems to be quite the case in many of them in the UK ive heard.

Personally, I think you have an advantage straight away if you start your PPL, because then your starting the “flying” side of things. But I guess that’s more beneficial if your going the self improver route which is a great hog of a cash.

There really are too many ways of doing it, it isn’t a lost cause to get there and you don’t need to be doing all the things under the sun (with regards to community work) to get there also.

Best plan is to do well at school, do your a-levels in a wide range of subjects and take it from there. Or if your rich, that’s fine too, hand over £60K and the schools won’t turn you down! 😉

Flex

ok ill look for another job withg more momney

Just out of curiosity what did you think cabin crew earned?

Don’t forget flight crew have the potential to earn a good wage. Maybe you should concentrate on that.

1L.

ok ill look for another job withg more momney

can someone tell me the average wage for cabin crew on a variety of sircraft and pilot wages

Ok, lets see if I can simplifiy this a little for you 330-200.

First thing to say is that becoming Cabin Crew and becoming Flight Crew are VERY different things. Although not unheard of cabin crew don’t often become flight crew. Two of my best friends have done this, but in neither case did being cabin crew directly lead to them becoming flight crew, both were more a case of shere determination.

Most people becoming cabin crew these days see it as a job rather than a career. The days of potential to earn a decent living have all but gone in the UK and salaries for new entrants have dropped significantly (thanks to the loco’s). Realistically you can expect a starting basic salary of about £9,000. With allowances and commissions, which vary greatly, you can expect to earn upto £12,000. This may sound a lot when you are 14, but realistically purchasing property or supporting a family would not be easy on that, even after promotion or annual pay rises. Cabin crew recruitment is very fickle, with each airline looking for their own set of requirements. Generally a reasonable education and some experience of working with the public together with some natural people skills will do it, along with a good dose of your face fitting at the interview. Unless you are very lucky be prepared for more rejection than acceptance.

I don’t know too much about becoming flight crew or their salaries, but I do know for most pilots flying is very much a vocation and something they would do for nothing if it was the only way to get into the sky. That said the potential to earn is rightly much higher for flight crew and obviously this is one of the attractions to the job. Essentially there are two ways to go. One is to get a good university education and apply for Cadet Pilot Training Sponsorship, although as has already been suggested this is a rapidly disappearing option. This varies from part paid to fully paid, depending on the airline, and requires a contract agreeing to various bonds, guaranteed service or repaying of costs, and generally leads straight to a jet job. The other is Self Improving or Self Funded Training. This doesn’t need any specific qualifications and involves working your way through the various courses and qualifications under your own steam and at your own cost. This is a real hard slog and takes HUGE amounts of self discipline, determination and cash. I have huge respect and admiration for anyone that does it this way. Usually having got your CPL you then start with regional prop flying of some sort before progressing to jet flying.

So what would I suggest to you? Firstly decide what you want to do. There really is no point in a passing comment that you want to be one or the other, you have to know what you want and be determined to get it. Having done that, get the right education and experience for your chosen role, and go for it.

Sorry if that was a bit long-winded. If I can answer any questions for you PM me, and good luck.

1L.

David2386,

Well said Sir!

Flex

£420 for the initial class 1, then minimum £100 per check thereafter, I had my class 1 renewal last Friday and it cost me £185

Don’t do your class 1 until you are ready to start your PPL, waste of time when you are 14.
No there are no airlines that will pay this for you, not directly anyway, you will be a low hr’d pilot, with no experience, and the days of cadetships will be loooong gone by the time you are ready to start training, so a very large loan, rich daddy or a great job will be your only way, I have taken the modular route and by the time I have finished it will have cost me in the region of £45,000 and that is minus a type rating, if you go integrated you can at least double it once all expenses has been paid

fATPL licences can be won on McDonald’s drinks cartons, just scratch the cover and see if you’ve won! Woolworths are also thinking of giving them out, buy one get one free.

Only 14 (strange, I thought A330-200 was an American man who went on holidays to AGP, JFK-MAN…) next 5 years of your life will be incredibly interesting and exciting, probably twice as exciting as the last 4 have been. You will ditch Shane Ward and even Robbie William for something a bit more rebellious, groups I do not know the name of 😀 The world is a large revolving disco ball with lots of things to do. I’m not saying that you won’t become a pilot, but things change. Being a pilot is a life style, not just a career. Kiss any thoughts of flying shiny metal/plastic jets out of LPL or MAN(or BOS/JFK?) and start thinking how beautiful the Scottish Islands look in mid winter in gale force conditions 😀

Dare I be so brave to say it and hope I’m not shot down, but try pprune.org. Do no start a new thread, use the SEARCH function. You will get no sensible replies if you go asking like you have on here, it has been done a thousand times before on there. SEARCH.

Forget the PPL, forget working you backside off in school (should do that anyway, it will be worth it) the best advice above is, if you are really serious, go get checked out for a Class 1 medical. You may be incredibly upset if you don’t get it, but at least you won’t spend the next 10 years of your life gearing up for a life flying only to find you can’t. It’s not cheap, I can’t remember the figure for it at Gatwick but throw a few hundred quid down the drain now, or face worse later.

We should give up……

Of cause you have to pay, what did you think, it was free.

Geez. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Flex

oh dear lots of stuff then
any airlines that u dont have to pay

You have to be prepared for rejection aswell in this industry mate ive been turned down for 2 jobs on the ground at airports and cabin crew.

If you want to go far in the industry find a collage that does an airline and airport operations course its what im doing at the moment its fantastic you get a massive insight into the industry.