War museum, Johannesburg South Africa.

Yeah, I will email him too. Get a petition going. :diablo:

Yeah, I will email him too. Get a petition going. :diablo:

I just spoke to Allan Sinclair at the museum, and he said if you can mail him at [email]milmus@icon.co.za[/email] beforehand he will try and work something out. Have a look at this site as well http://www.joburg.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=254&Itemid=51

I just spoke to Allan Sinclair at the museum, and he said if you can mail him at [email]milmus@icon.co.za[/email] beforehand he will try and work something out. Have a look at this site as well http://www.joburg.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=254&Itemid=51

Here is the Me 262 in 1963 at the Dunnotar airbase before it was moved to the museum. The current finish (4th.) is pattern wise very far removed from the original.

Yes, definetly not a Luftwaffe scheme. It looks like it was copied from a piece of German armor as the current cam scheme was normal for Panzers in Sicily and Italy.

Here is the Me 262 in 1963 at the Dunnotar airbase before it was moved to the museum. The current finish (4th.) is pattern wise very far removed from the original.

Yes, definetly not a Luftwaffe scheme. It looks like it was copied from a piece of German armor as the current cam scheme was normal for Panzers in Sicily and Italy.

I am due to be in Jo’burg in March – would visit this museum but don’t like the no-camera thing.

They don’t even appear to have a website so I can’t even complain about it !

Maybe if they knew people would be deterred from visiting, they may reconsider this daft policy.

I am due to be in Jo’burg in March – would visit this museum but don’t like the no-camera thing.

They don’t even appear to have a website so I can’t even complain about it !

Maybe if they knew people would be deterred from visiting, they may reconsider this daft policy.

Here is the Me 262 in 1963 at the Dunnotar airbase before it was moved to the museum. The current finish (4th.) is pattern wise very far removed from the original.
See enclosed extract from Ron Belling’s book ” A portrait of Military Aviation in South Africa.

Here is the Me 262 in 1963 at the Dunnotar airbase before it was moved to the museum. The current finish (4th.) is pattern wise very far removed from the original.
See enclosed extract from Ron Belling’s book ” A portrait of Military Aviation in South Africa.

Less Teutonic, but just as unique, I’m glad to see the Hawker Hartbees still alive and well.

Less Teutonic, but just as unique, I’m glad to see the Hawker Hartbees still alive and well.

WW2 aircraft in Joburg

Good Photos. Post some more if you can.
I’ve been there also. They have a very good collection of a/c & military vehicles. The German a/c on display are a unique bunch but have been repainted ie not original.

As I mentioned in my previous post all the WW1 & 2 aircraft on display are real and all have an interesting history.

An excellent reference for any & all WW2 Axis aircraft that survived and are now in museums, etc is the book “War Przes by Phil Butler”.
You can follow the history of these German a/c that are on display in Joburg, from the time during the war and their final arival & display as a museum piece.
I had the chance to inspect and photograph the German a/c while still in storage in 1970.

They all have been repainted so are not original. Very good but not original. The Bf109E-3 is a good example, as is the Bf109F-2/Trop.

As I mentioned above they are all unique, the 190 is a radar equipped nightfighter Fw-190A-6/R6 and the 262 is a two seater night fighter Me262B-1a/U1.

All & all a great collection. Good luck to them for the future.

WW2 aircraft in Joburg

Good Photos. Post some more if you can.
I’ve been there also. They have a very good collection of a/c & military vehicles. The German a/c on display are a unique bunch but have been repainted ie not original.

As I mentioned in my previous post all the WW1 & 2 aircraft on display are real and all have an interesting history.

An excellent reference for any & all WW2 Axis aircraft that survived and are now in museums, etc is the book “War Przes by Phil Butler”.
You can follow the history of these German a/c that are on display in Joburg, from the time during the war and their final arival & display as a museum piece.
I had the chance to inspect and photograph the German a/c while still in storage in 1970.

They all have been repainted so are not original. Very good but not original. The Bf109E-3 is a good example, as is the Bf109F-2/Trop.

As I mentioned above they are all unique, the 190 is a radar equipped nightfighter Fw-190A-6/R6 and the 262 is a two seater night fighter Me262B-1a/U1.

All & all a great collection. Good luck to them for the future.

Are the Warbirds genuine or replicas? The 262 look great in it’s fairly unusual scheme.

All 100% genuine as far as I know mate ! There are a lot more exhibits that I wasn’t able to photograph because of their stupid no photo rule. I’m working on a plan to conceal or disguise the camera for next year :diablo:
***political drift on*** Quite honestly, I don’t know which twit/s decided that rule. A museum is a place where photography should be encouraged. There is a rumor that the rule was put in place because some idiot believes that taking pics of the exhibits will somehow lead to an increase in theft of them. Kinda gives you some idea of the way the country is being run at present as this is a government run institution. ***political drift off ***

Are the Warbirds genuine or replicas? The 262 look great in it’s fairly unusual scheme.

All 100% genuine as far as I know mate ! There are a lot more exhibits that I wasn’t able to photograph because of their stupid no photo rule. I’m working on a plan to conceal or disguise the camera for next year :diablo:
***political drift on*** Quite honestly, I don’t know which twit/s decided that rule. A museum is a place where photography should be encouraged. There is a rumor that the rule was put in place because some idiot believes that taking pics of the exhibits will somehow lead to an increase in theft of them. Kinda gives you some idea of the way the country is being run at present as this is a government run institution. ***political drift off ***

Here is that same Bf109E-3 still in its wartime finish snapped in 1964.

Here is that same Bf109E-3 still in its wartime finish snapped in 1964.

If you scroll up you will see a picture of an unfortunate Me BF109. There is a photo in the background. This is the story of that plane. Maybe someone here can dig up some more information, perhaps Google Earth co-ords?

PS, I just saw Peter D Evans’ post above, but still waiting for Tangmere’s photos :dev:

If you scroll up you will see a picture of an unfortunate Me BF109. There is a photo in the background. This is the story of that plane. Maybe someone here can dig up some more information, perhaps Google Earth co-ords?

PS, I just saw Peter D Evans’ post above, but still waiting for Tangmere’s photos :dev: