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Wartime images, or a gentle leg pull?

I was sent these images by email recently. JDK and I suspect that there are issues with them. They were taken at Hunsdon during the Second World War the sender informs me, but there is something not quite right about them.
Cast your eyes over these if you are familiar with Spitfires and wartime attire, not to mention hairstyles 😉 .
I look forward to your comments.

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By: Dan Hamblin - 12th August 2006 at 12:36

If that is SL674, then it is conceivable that the building picture was also taken at Biggin Hill. But I don’t recognise it as being either South Camp or the main administration area.

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By: Tailspin - 12th August 2006 at 12:03

Yep, the kid is altogether too slack-jawed and vacuous, and he is the most convincing part of the set-up.

You’re right. We’d have never given the Hun what for with him looking like that. 😉

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By: Denis - 12th August 2006 at 11:20

Well done Zwitter
As for the building being titled ‘Officers Mess’ The original Officers mess was at a large country house still in situ at Hunsdon called ‘Bonningtons. The building in the image looks very familiar to one that stood on the airfield up until 1972, but then again the image could have been taken at any old airfield in Britain.
Well done all on the evidence uncovered, case closed your Honour 🙂

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By: Bluebird Mike - 12th August 2006 at 10:34

Great work chaps, and a very amusing thread, altogether!

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By: Mark12 - 12th August 2006 at 10:03

is that SL674 – the spit that used to be at Biggin?

hmm.. right model, dark spinner, glossy, mr whippy aerial, trees – could be? Might have been repainted again after the first pic

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/spitregistry/images/spit-sl674-1.jpg

Zwitter

Cracked it.

I can’t see your image I just get the red cross.

I rejected SL674 initially on the basis of where the upper camouflage apparently delineated. I see now that I was reading chemical stain lines.

This is SL674 at Biggin Hill circa 1962. Bruce – it has the block tread 12 inch tyres/wheels set up on concrete pads. Black painted exhausts and set in the bushes. It all fits.

Mark

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Mark12/16-SL674BigginHillHunsdon1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Mark12/16-SL674-02-002.jpg

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By: Denis - 12th August 2006 at 01:31

I wont tell if you dont Moggie 😉

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By: Moggy C - 12th August 2006 at 01:27

Just realised I posted Denis info off his own website.

Doh! 😮

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By: Denis - 12th August 2006 at 01:22

Thanks all,
your Comments on theses ‘images’ has confirmed what I originaly thought. There is no way I would post these up on the Hunsdon airfield website (thanks for the plug moggie 🙂 )
At the Hunsdon re-union and memorial dedication last year, we talked to many of the vets. Most of them never owned a camera, or if they had, rarely took photographs. Even the squadron Photographer for 21 Squadron said he only took a few, even then he has long since lost ’em.
Makes you wonder why people do this sort of thing, especially to send them to me hoping I would make a chump of meself by posting such poorly faked images. Ho hum, life goes on :rolleyes:

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By: Moggy C - 12th August 2006 at 00:20

From the excellent http://merlinsroared.tripod.com/id9.html

Units known to have operated from Hunsdon

85 squadron,( Hawker Hurricane, Boulton-Paul Defiant, Douglas Boston/havoc)

287 Squadron (Boulton Paul Defiant 2’s)

1451 flight (turbinlite flight, Douglas Boston/havoc)

29 squadron (Mosquito’s)

3 squadron(F) (Hawker Hurricane 2c’s)

1530 flight (Airspeed Oxford’s)

157 squadron (Mosquito’s)

515 squadron (Bristol Beaufighters and Boulton-Paul Defiant’s)

406 (RCAF) squadron (Mosquito’s)

409 (RCAF) squadron (Mosquito’s),

410(Cougar) squadron RCAF (Mosquito’s)

418 (RCAF) squadron (Mosquito’s)

21(City of Norwich) squadron, 464 (Australia), and 487 (New Zealand) squadrons all equipped with Mosquito’s and forming 140 wing of the 2nd Tactical Air Force.

264 squadron ( Mosquito’s)

488 (New Zealand) squadron (Mosquito’s)

151 squadron (Mosquito’s)

501 (county of Gloucester) squadron (Hawker Tempest’s)

530 Squadron (Turbinlight,formed from 1451 flight, Boston/Havoc)

611(Mustang 4’s) and 154 (Mustang 4’s and Spitfire Mk6) squadrons forming the Hunsdon Wing , 442(RCAF) using the now disbanded 154 squadrons aircraft.

Notably short of Spitfire units.

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By: *Zwitter* - 12th August 2006 at 00:12

is that SL674 – the spit that used to be at Biggin?

hmm.. right model, dark spinner, glossy, mr whippy aerial, trees – could be? Might have been repainted again after the first pic

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/spitregistry/images/spit-sl674-1.jpg

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By: Scouse - 11th August 2006 at 22:45

Hmmm… Glossy camo, bubble-canopied Merlin-engined Spitfire (Mk XVI, I think), bushes in the background, possible gate guardian.
At one time in its career TD248 ticked all those boxes at Sealand. Anyone got some contemporary photos?
On a note of complete whimsy, the chappie in front of the Spitfire seems to have a toothbrush moustache. German boots…surely not!

William

PS I agree there’s summat about the body language that sets my antennae quivering.

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By: Deryck - 11th August 2006 at 22:13

What is he wearing? During the war years it was usually the uniform, maybe a roll neck sweater with a furlined jacket, Mae West and a chute. No Luftwaffe boots! Never with just a pair of goggles and always with an oxygen mask so that you could talk on the radio.
Smells fishy!

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By: MarkG - 11th August 2006 at 21:10

Both pictures – bent as a Butcher’s ‘ook. No question about it.

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By: wessex boy - 11th August 2006 at 20:26

I just don’t like the cut of his Jib, there is a certain mis-placed smugness that would not be present if this was real

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By: Bluebird Mike - 11th August 2006 at 20:25

The window actually looks rather fake to me? Then again, his boots look like they’ve been pasted in afterwards, too!

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By: 25deg south - 11th August 2006 at 20:11

He is either standing in a hole or the wheels are on elevated pads. Look at the relationship of his knees to the wheel/axle centre line.

Mark

Oh come on! The guy’s got enough problems, without you insinuating that he’s also an achondroplasic dwarf.

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By: Mark12 - 11th August 2006 at 19:56

He is either standing in a hole or the wheels are on elevated pads. Look at the relationship of his knees to the wheel/axle centre line.

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By: Slipstream - 11th August 2006 at 19:40

Shouldn’t the glass in the windows be taped up as well ?

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By: cdp206 - 11th August 2006 at 19:30

May be wrong on this but those boots look very much like standard issue Werhmacht (unless they’re hoss riding boots) – I used to have a pair! Very comfy, too – the Germany Army ones, not the horse riding ones! And what’s that jacket he’s wearing (in the second image)? Looks like a reject from a Duran Duran vid in the mid-eighties! Doesn’t look much like an Irvine or a USAF-issue one. I’m not hot on this sort of clothing so am preparing myself to be verbally shot at! I do like the broken windows in the Maycrete hut though. Rapid ventilation technique, eh? Saves all the ‘opening and closing’.

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By: 25deg south - 11th August 2006 at 19:23

Yep, the kid is altogether too slack-jawed and vacuous, and he is the most convincing part of the set-up.

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