Was there a runnable V1 engine in a museum?

The engine on the trailer at Chino ’09 sounded pretty damn loud 🙂

Everything that runs at Chino is bloody loud!!!

Sorry there must be an echo in here tonight………………

The engine on the trailer at Chino ’09 sounded pretty damn loud 🙂

Every thing that runs at Chino is bloody loud!!!

I seem to recall a similar device being built on Scrapheap Challenge a few years ago…

The engine on the trailer at Chino ’09 sounded pretty damn loud 🙂

The TV series Blitz Street demonstrated the principle, and sound of a V1 using a jamjar with a hole in the lid and some fuel.

Use nitro fuel(model aircraft) and a 13mm/ 1/2 inch hole,tablespoon full of fuel ,a shake and then light.Standing in cold water makes it more efficient.
I have found plans and will be building MK 2 soon.

It was certainly fitted with a diesel burner for effect for several years by the museum. It was never used in the operation crossbow film all V1s used being replicas. Axel Kuncze & his team at Auktionshaus fur historic Technik will restore the engine to running condition as part of the restoration if anybody wishes to sponsor the work.

The Fi103 R-4 is now due back during 2011 we would be open to proposals to display it at selected shows

Aerohistorian may be able to answer as to whether this is correct or not, but I recall being told many, many years ago as an impressionable lad that the “engine” of Lashenden’s* example was a gas-powered burner that was installed to give it some drama for shots for “Operation Crossbow”. I certainly recall it producing a great deal of oily barbecue lighter fluid type smoke and flame, without any real noise.

Adrian

* Just to confuse, Lashenden is at Headcorn, but was called Lashenden in WW2 to distinguish it from the Headcorn ALG… which was further away from Headcorn than Lashenden is!

It’s being returned in 2010 and….

It’s being returned in 2010 and nobody asks if it will be at Legends !? :diablo:

You are slacking !

It would make an interesting display as a “ground runner” though if possible….

I would absolutely love to see one running, however this is a close as you can get to the real thing running today!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTsQxwWcqJI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8PF5DtX_Fg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STbXoOZFf0Q&feature=related

I don’t reveal anything more than these lines, but with some luck, in a few years time in Holland, you might be in for something special.

The TV series Blitz Street demonstrated the principle, and sound of a V1 using a jamjar with a hole in the lid and some fuel.

That’s a bloody scary sounding beast!

No I was just under a misaprehension that pulse jets needed forward speed to operate. I am fully aware of the difference between a pulse jet and a ramjet and the ramjet does need forward speed.

Mike, I used to have the same thoughts, which I guess were as a result of seeing period footage of the V-1 being launched up their ramps by rockets and being launched by aircraft which were already moving.

The V-1 simply just didn’t have the “oomph” for take-off and required assistance. You can see the valve bank (“klappenregister”) opening and closing is the following footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgpnKARvd24

Note, you can also see the cardboard/paper seal being blown away into pieces when the pulsejet starts up. This was used to contain the aceteline atmosphere which was used to pre-warm the combustion chamber prior to switching over to the 80 octane petrol which was used for flight.

No I was just under a misaprehension that pulse jets needed forward speed to operate. I am fully aware of the difference between a pulse jet and a ramjet and the ramjet does need forward speed.

How can you ground run an engine that relies on a forward speed of about 200mph to get it going? Or have I been misinformed as to the characteristics of a pulse jet engine?

Perhaps you are thinking of a ramjet engine.

The V1 had a very simple pulse jet. I saw one a few years ago in the Cardington hangers where the RAF museum had their store. It was so basic that the inventory originally listed it as ‘V1 minus engine’ as it looked as though it was missing. A simple pulse jet is quite easy to make. The apprentices at work have built them in the past as part of their training. One of my colleagues made his own sit on lawn mower and powered it with a home made pulse jet. That’s engineers for you!

I guess that like any internal combustion engine the power (or thrust) that you get out is closely related to the amount of air that you put in; when it is at idle speed a car engine produces no power yet it still runs.

Aha, I thought I understood the workings of them but obviously not the technicalities of the system. I never realised that valved area and pipe length were so important. It looks to me as though it should be possible to static run them then.

How can you ground run an engine that relies on a forward speed of about 200mph to get it going? Or have I been misinformed as to the characteristics of a pulse jet engine?

Hi, Mike

Probably the best place to find an explanation of the workings of a pulsejet is here:

http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/howtheywork.shtml

How can you ground run an engine that relies on a forward speed of about 200mph to get it going? Or have I been misinformed as to the characteristics of a pulse jet engine?

The Lashenden Air Warfare Museum’s Fieseler Fi103 R-4 is at present in Germany being restored to the condition it was in in 1945 when displayed at Farnbourgh. It will then be displayed in the Deutsches Technikmuseum in Berlin for 12 months before returning to Headcorn fr isplay.

For further information visit our website:-

www.lashendenairwarfaremuseum.co.uk