We are going to Mars and its not the choccy bar factory visit either

Does that answer your question, Mr B?

I understand that…the Royal “we”.
I think I made my point pretty clear…:D

Still, I’m sure contributions to NASA would be welcome, if one really wants to be part of “we”.
Just think, when men are on Mars you can tell the lads at the local…”I helped make that happen”. Might get you a bag of crisps.

What do you mean “We“….

The plaque left behind on the Moon by the Apollo 11 mission reads “We came in peace for all mankind.”

Does that answer your question, Mr B?

It’s just a shame that the US space effort became distracted by the Space Shuttle, otherwise an American might well have walked on Mars by now.

I think your a bit out with that figure Jim, it’s well over a 100 billion stars and roughly the same amount of galaxies:D:D

I don’t know, you can’t even trust Nat Geo now, thats where I got it from.;)
Jim.
Lincoln. 7

No doubt…and probably some talented UK engineers worked on it.
All of which were paid for.
I was speaking of the financial end of it.

(Probably) silly question…did the UK provide any funds or give free equipment for it?

I was thinking more of hardware that “flew” on Apollo:D,
anyway I still think it was Americas finest hour, always have, always will.
Phil.

stars

There are one and a half billion stars in our own galaxy, let alone the millions more.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

I think your a bit out with that figure Jim, it’s well over a 100 billion stars and roughly the same amount of galaxies:D:D

Looks awfully like they have stood that dead Saturn 5 back up, cobbled on a couple of left over boosters from the redundant Shuttle programme and announced it to the world……..

Top gear will have to add a Transit Van to their shuttle if they are going top spend longer in space, the Reliant Robin just does not carry enough air to sustain the longer flight….. 😛

Oh I don’t know, if you dug deep enough I think you would find a little bit of
British equipment somewere on the Apollo Project:D:D

No doubt…and probably some talented UK engineers worked on it.
All of which were paid for.
I was speaking of the financial end of it.

(Probably) silly question…did the UK provide any funds or give free equipment for it?

We

What do you mean “We“….
I think you mean the U.S.. 🙂 🙂

Oh I don’t know, if you dug deep enough I think you would find a little bit of
British equipment somewere on the Apollo Project:D:D

Merlin your circumstances are different to those I tried to get over, I am sorrry to hear your unemployed, and no way do I think your irresponsible, I know when I feel the pinch, is the time when I want to go and splash out on something, my wife thinks the same way.she usualy wins;).
Anyway, I know of many things that Space research has given to the likes of us, like the ceramic tiles on the shuttle, teflon, and many more, as they say, Necessity is the mother of invention. Whilst I do feel sorry for the others I have mentioned, I would love to see this Country called once again GREAT Britain, and I suppose this is why I think we should get our finances sorted out first, But, as usual, thats just my opinion.

Jim.

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IF I were say 6 months behind with payments for my house, then borrowed more to go on a spending spree,I would be classed as irresponsible, and rightly so.

There is, drought, famin, etc in some Countries, surly these things should take priority.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Sorry Jim

but I dont entirely agree with this. If this were the case we would be constantly chasing our tail bailing out other countries. In an ideal world we would all look after each other but in reality that doesnt happen. Sure we have funds set aside for international aide and we borrow to help fund these charities or projects.

If this were true we would have never have won the first or second world war. Or have ever made the discoveries we have made. All our research and trials for every project has to funded somewhere and either publically funded or privately funded it must and needs to progress or our time on this planet is worthless.

Oh and I must be irresposible too then because while not in the situation you describe I found myself in a situation where I should have had no money but found myself able to spend a little more than I used to be able to. Now I am unemployed that has changed a little as I only now have state money.

I dont think of myself as irresposible and neither would I accept that from anyone. Nobody should make that assuption about someone. I will say no more on my own situation but you would understand if you heard the full story.

I think I knew that….:D
So much for the fabled UK sense of humour….:D

And I think I knew that too. lol.

Only pointing out the obvious.

Yeah I would think that his two comments would be a bit inconsistent but could be regarded as two different issues.

One driven by a patriotic view and the other by an interest in foreign economics.

Lincoln, you said ” I am all for Space exploration” but sound like your pretty much against it 🙂

I am even willing to pay more taxes if it goes to space exploration. This is one of the best things human can do.

Oh! I AM all for it, I just think there are more priorities to clear up on our little world before we go jetting off into space.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

I dont think Linc is against space exploration he just thinks they should get their administration sorted out befoe doing it.

Which is fair enough.

Personally I think each thing has its place and its own allocation. Robbing one project to fund another gets you nowhere. If we did that we wouldnt have ever made the Moon landing.

Merlin, Exactly right, IF I were say 6 months behind with payments for my house, then borrowed more to go on a spending spree,I would be classed as irresponsible, and rightly so. I will repeat, I am all for space exploration, but lets try and get our own sorted out first, thats all I am saying.
There is, drought, famin, etc in some Countries, surly these things should take priority.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

May I join you to go get the Hassleblads?

Lincoln .7

SH. Pete, Have any number crunchers thought out how much this will cost the US Taxpayer, and as we all know, the “Quote” is always exceeded, massivley, at the end of the day, very few quotes are spot on and cost no more than the initial quote.Just a thought, why do we need to go into space in the first place?.There are one and a half billion stars in our own galaxy, let alone the millions more.
Jim.

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Hi Jim
Young man that you are.:)
You, Pete and I along with many of our other good band of merry folk on this forum are going to stay alive to see this – at least I hope so.:)

I recognise and share your concerns about economic woes but those aren’t always any longer easily solved by individual countries after the big bad word ‘globalization’ became a daily uncontrollable misnomer.

I also recognise you aren’t against space research.:)

As for “….there are several Hassleblad cameras left on the Moon..” – well – Shall we go get them?:cool: Don your space suit and get your hot line to Branson going to pay for a real moonship not just Virgin Galactic. Certainly will require some special vacuum cleaners that James Dyson may invent by then to get them working.:rolleyes:

Research in defence and space has spin offs many unseen directly by us in unique medicine, routine medicine and consumer products and enhancements (and before anyone says it – yes they cost more never less when they hit the consumer and that’s the economics conundrum)

Since being a little schoolboy boy listening numerous times avidly to Arthur C Clarke lecture at the CISIR I am convinced that we are not doing anything bad in space (as yet – since the reduction in the ‘star wars’ projects).

It keeps many acute brains (UK and EU) enhancing, many jobs and the lifeblood of positive development going forwards.

My pre graduation dissertation a few weeks ago was titled “The Accounting Standards relating to Research, Development and Intellectual Property” and it used as its industry examples Rolls Royce Trent 900, Trent 1000 and Eurojet EJ200 engine development and sales.

Organisations that reverse a good percentage of profits in investment in themselves for research and development produce huge amounts of Intellectual Property IP – not always immediately useful but are sometime in the future money spinners when other necessary complimentary developments come to fruition. These organisations survive and Rolls Royce is one of them.

As for the problems in both the US and UK of politicians and priorities/strategies – that is why I have already said in my second post above that the US Accounting Standards body requesting a delay of at least another 3 years (until 2017) before they will seriously move to harmonise with the EU accountings standards is a dent in trying to get errant companies including the likes of our own riskay traders (cloaked in cloisters called failed banks now owned by the UK government) to prove that they aren’t ‘mugging Joe Public’ every day.

The biggest step our current Chancellor made to get legislation in place to ring fence the UK banks is also deferred at least until 2019 (also mentioned in my previous post). It should be 2015 as originally mooted IMO anyway.
This is absolutely vital and complimentary to the accounting standards harmonising as then the banking business manages your money and traders manage people who choose to invest their money in stocks, shares, bonds, etc.

The two businesses are managed with ethical Corporate Governance with individual Income Statements, Balance Sheets and Cash Flow Statements and those traders that go ultra extreme risky and fail ‘die’ as a business and do not get an opportunity to hide behind bank cloisters and being bailed out to ensure survival by taxpayers money.

My heart and interest remains with research, development and intellectual property.:D

Just send me a note when Richard gets back to you and says I can be measured for my space suit to join you to go get the Hassleblads.:cool:

I think I knew that….:D
So much for the fabled UK sense of humour….:D

BTW: On another thread a month or so ago, Lincoln expressed outrage that the US collected war debt from the UK (even though much was forgiven and the lend lease provided millions (billions?) in arms that didn’t need to be repaid)…now he’s worried our the U.S.’s bank account.
Why the turn-around? 🙂

The we I was refering to is the human race.

Humans.

🙂

What do you mean “We“….
I think you mean the U.S. and paid for by American taxpayers.:D
If you want to be part of the “WE”…feel free to donate a few quid.
I hear Lincon will be at Tesco’s collecting this Saturday.:diablo:

Jim…yes the US has money problems..as does the UK, but youir government still finds the money to support the royal family, various art projects, welfare for some people that shouldn’t be on it, and a bit of a defense industry…even in the absence of any likely enemies in the short term. Why I even heard HM’s govt. gives civil servants Aston Martins to drive…(I saw it in the cinema, so it must be true).

Mr. Obama seems to think that spending more money will get the nation out of money and employment problems.
So why not spend some money on a program that would sustain aerospace and defense-related industries (pay taxes and employ people who pay taxes)?

If we did that we wouldnt have ever made the Moon landing.

There we go with the “we” again. 🙂 🙂

I dont think Linc is against space exploration he just thinks they should get their administration sorted out befoe doing it.

Which is fair enough.

Personally I think each thing has its place and its own allocation. Robbing one project to fund another gets you nowhere. If we did that we wouldnt have ever made the Moon landing.

Yes, Jay quoted the figures and I put them in perspective. As for the future everytghing costs more but no one ever knows. As for your last question – as you said you were 100% pro space exploration, does it need an answer?

Lincoln, you said ” I am all for Space exploration” but sound like your pretty much against it 🙂

I am even willing to pay more taxes if it goes to space exploration. This is one of the best things human can do.