Well he was homeless so no real loss!

It is incredible how low the treshold for killing can go. I was shocked when the Archangel ex-gulag chief after moving to Canada told in his book/memoirs that the favourite past time for common criminals was to hit 6 inch nail into political prisoners scull after he/she had fallen to sleep !

That doesn’t work anymore…

Try a leadfoil hat;o)

And reading your email too. And they know what websites you look at (oo-er) and what you watched on TV last night….

That reminds me….I need to buy shares in a tinfoil company somewhere….much appreciated.

Sure it goes on but what astounds me is that the NSA is listening in on every single mobile telephone call, has the capacity to read every single E-mail and I’m sure has the capacity to do much more, and thats happening 24 hours a day 7 days a week! That’s not scared of the people that’s extreme paranoia!

And reading your email too. And they know what websites you look at (oo-er) and what you watched on TV last night…

Then there is the SS.

Godwins law! I win…[/smug]

I would be scared of the general population if I happened to be paranoid enough and realize that 313.9 Million people could all have guns pointed at me, if I did something wrong!

So you check up on them, see what they are doing, call terrorism on anyone who disagrees.

The North Korean government are not scared of the people, its the people scared of the government, big difference.

All dictatorships are scared of their proles – look at what has happened in the past when the downtrodden masses have risen up. Hence the premiers personal bodyguard, sometimes made up of mercenaries because you know all they want is money and they won’t get that if el presidente is overthrown.

Because they (the authorities) are scared of the people – just like, for example, North Korea. And before the usual crowd barge in blaming Obama just remember that it has been going on for decades.

Hmm – does that mean they are/have been doing the same in Britain?

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Sure it goes on but what astounds me is that the NSA is listening in on every single mobile telephone call, has the capacity to read every single E-mail and I’m sure has the capacity to do much more, and thats happening 24 hours a day 7 days a week! That’s not scared of the people that’s extreme paranoia!

Then there is the SS.

I would be scared of the general population if I happened to be paranoid enough and realize that 313.9 Million people could all have guns pointed at me, if I did something wrong!

The North Korean government are not scared of the people, its the people scared of the government, big difference.

All that from one sentence? I think its referring to the Nazis, who murdered who they liked when they liked.

I took it as being a thing about letting the population be armed so that the police would think twice about the indiscriminate shooting of civilians. But maybe others took it differently…?

who does America as a country spy on the most? Russia? China? Uzbekistan? Well its not those countries, oh hang on wait a minute, nope its their own population! Just exactly why is that?

Because they (the authorities) are scared of the people – just like, for example, North Korea. And before the usual crowd barge in blaming Obama just remember that it has been going on for decades.

Hmm – does that mean they are/have been doing the same in Britain?

As for killing the guy, premeditated murder, and you really do have to be blind not to see that

Blind, or an armed member of the law itching to use up that months quota of bullets.

I once saw a movie where only the cops and military had guns,,,, it was called “Schindlers List”

What, exactly, was that statement meant to say? I know what it says about you, but to me all it says is that you want death, destruction, unnecessary slaughter.
Are you trying to say that if the Polish Jews had had guns it wouldn’t have happened? ‘Coz the Polish army didn’t have guns did they? (Yes they did, and that didn’t prevent it)
Are you trying to say that the US people should have their guns taken away so that your comparison with the Holocaust can be worked through? Ha – some chance.
Are you saying the US people should stand up and massacre the US police force because that is the only way to get them to stop and think? What a crazily dumb idea. You cannot sincerely believe that the police would think again just because there is a chance that the citizen might be armed – hell, they are shooting people for having phones in their hands at the moment!!!

An eye for an eye would make the world blind…

All that from one sentence? I think its referring to the Nazis, who murdered who they liked when they liked. Read into that what you will, but who does America as a country spy on the most? Russia? China? Uzbekistan? Well its not those countries, oh hang on wait a minute, nope its their own population! Just exactly why is that?

As for killing the guy, premeditated murder, and you really do have to be blind not to see that

Tazer would have been the answer if needed but I cannot see what harm this man was causing to provoke any violent reaction.

You been sniffing the laundry hamper again…?

What they didn’t show, were the ring of ex WW2 Sherman Tanks surrounding him, just in case…………….All privately owned by members of the NRA obviously.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Well, at least he went down fighting, guns blazing, Rambo-style, just like the NRA would be proud of.

Oh, wait…

Poor chap was found guilty before proven innocent. So much for the Judicial system in the U.S. of Arms.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

More innuendo to be had too…

It’s more macho to use a gun,makes a bigger bang and gives you more bragging rights in the messroom afterwards.

…and no doubt had tasers available too…

Reports do state that there is confusion over why they used guns and not their issued tasers.

Can’t defend the actions of these officers – he posed no threat with the distance involved and they had less-than-lethal options in the bean bag rounds, had a dog in situ (which when released appeared to go for the thunderflash smoke, then seemed confused what to do next!) and no doubt had tasers available too.

Yet again the actions of a minority overshadow the work of many honest, dedicated professionals…

Working alone, in many cases with little hope of backup, are the officers of the US Forest Service – one such professional and his companion paid the price recently…

http://www.officer.com/news/11354124/hundreds-mourn-slain-us-forest-service-officer-k-9-in-nc

Good job the poor sod wasn’t in a caravan, No doubt they would have used an R.P.G. on him. Far, far too much GUN Ho. Good ole 2nd rears it’s head, yet again.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

“I hope the title of this thread is meant to be ironic.” Thats what I deal in now not lead! What scares me is where America leads we tend to follow eventually. Anybody want to buy a tent?

I hope the title of this thread is meant to be ironic.

I am sure the good people of Albuquerque will be able to sleep easily in their beds tonight knowing the authorities are watching over them!

Worse, knowing that they can be shot dead for illegally camping in an open space should bring them peace of mind…

Un-freaking believable…..this is when police act like they’re in a police state….if you watch the clip the homeless man was posing no threat….no human deserves to die like that….shot like a dog…..his hands were by his side….

Best time to do it, knowing that he can’t shoot back. Oh wait, he is unarmed… Even better.

I can’t comment on America but I’m glad this is fairly rare here (though I remember the Brazilian killed in the tube when the police plain lied on the night of the killing to cover their mistakes by deliberately creating doubt and confusion when the actual facts were the complete opposite….I followed that story closely having just flown back to London from Guernsey the day of the tube bombings….and even now wonder why no one got done for such a blatant lie.

Some of the lies on the night of the shooting included: he wore “heavy clothing” (supposed to be concealing God-knows-what but actually he wore normal clothes and had a small jean top on) and they also lied that he jumped over the tube turnstiles in some kind of hurry (he didn’t….he had walked calmly in the train to work)…..by the time the truth is out most people forgot the police lied their socks off to deliberately create doubt and cover their mistake…..classic throwing sand in people’s eyes.

Jean Charles de Menezes.
Of course there will undoubtedly be those on this forum who will declare that it was right that he died – he had out stayed his visa, he was foreign, he looked suspicious – but they forget that when the police get the gun out then whoever gets shot is in the wrong (whether they had a gun in their hands, a table leg, a walking stick or blind stick or – better yet – nothing) until the lawyers get involved and money invariably changes hands…

Just seen the full video on You Tube.

In my eyes, the poor chap was clearly executed, having been taken down by the first rounds and incapacitated. (When told to put his hands up, he says, “I can’t move’).

Still, one would have thought that would have been enough, but the officers offload several more rounds into him, and seeing his lifeless body, they still seem to think he was threat to them! (An officer can be heard saying ” “Somebody step on that right hand real hard”).

There are other video’s of other incidents where US cops are plainly yelling stop resisting to corpses so that they can claim they didn’t know it was dead. Mind you there are other video’s of other similar ‘executions’ of unarmed suspects. And so frequently – as in Britain – the word of the police is taken as being beyond doubt because they are supposed to be above suspicion…

But the good old police department of Albuquerque has gone and produced another stunning PR stunt that, no doubt, helps somebody’s cause…

Police: Man dead after officer-involved shooting

Updated: 03/26/2014 4:59 PM | Created: 03/26/2014 7:01 AM
By: Elizabeth Reed and Johnny Cordoba, KOB.com
Albuquerque police confirm a man shot by officers Tuesday night has been pronounced dead at a local hospital.
APD Chief Gorden Eden said officers responded to a 911 call that a suspect had pointed a gun at a juvenile at an apartment complex in the 200 block of 60th Street.
According to Eden, officers established a safety perimeter in the area and attempted to communicate with the suspect prior to the shooting. Eden added that “the suspect exited the apartment with a firearm, and fired the firearm,” prompting police to fire at the suspect.
But the suspect’s sister told KOB she saw the entire incident and said her brother was holding a cellphone, not a gun.
A video uploaded on YouTube early Wednesday claims to show the shooting scene. It appears to show the same apartment and a chaotic scene. In the background, a person who is believed to be the suspect can be seen.
Several people scream and the sound of shots fired can be heard. The person in the video then falls to the ground and people run toward him.
The suspect, identified as Alfred Redwine by his sister and confirmed Wednesday afternoon by police chief Gorden Eden, died at the hospital.
Later Wednesday morning, four people from the apartment complex left with police. They all had towels over their heads. These people were not under arrest, but police have not said why they left with officers.
The case is still under investigation by the Albuquerque Police Department, the Bernalillo County Sheriff’s Office and New Mexico State Police.
This new officer-involved shooting comes at the heels of large-scale protests by the community after Albuquerque police shot a homeless man with a history of mental issues on March 16.
Helmet and lapel camera videos of the incident show the suspect, James Boyd, being shot after illegally camping in the Sandia foothills and a five-hour standoff with police. Boyd was armed with knives during the incident.
Stay with KOB Eyewitness News 4 and KOB.com for updates on this ongoing investigation.

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3375842.shtml#.Uzp1kKiICSp

A cellphone. Where have we heard that before?

Not that it helps the guy any but they had a major protest about this and other APD “indiscretions” which eventually turned somewhat violent against the cops, this occurred on Sunday. Supposedly it will be investigated by Internal Affairs but that’s cops investigating themselves, no good will come of it. this is a growing trend in the USA, it seems to have started by cops killing peoples pets to intimidate them, now its just shooting people under very dubious circumstances, its only a matter of time till they try to kill the wrong person and he gets the drop on them. People here are getting fed up with this scot free murdering and something is going to give,,,,

I occasionally look at the Photography Is Not A Crime website (http://photographyisnotacrime.com/) – there are any number of stories of police and/or security guards flexing their non thinking muscle and declaring that a camera is a terrorist tool on there, but there is also a lot of stories involving camera phone footage which contradicts the official police line, to the point that phones do get confiscated by the police/guards so that they are not posted on the net looking like d!cks. So frequently the video’s that do make it out show the police to be totally uneducated in any form of law other than (cue South Park snarl) ‘Respect mah authoritah!’ When confronted with reason or logic the average cop appears to revert to the kind of mindset that would be expected in place’s like North Korea: it is almost as though they fear the citizen before them or they were slave owners in previous lives and you either do what they say or get a taste of their authority.

I once saw a movie where only the cops and military had guns,,,, it was called “Schindlers List”

Oh, you make me laugh.[/sarcasm]
Just one film?
Maybe you should keep to films with a lower rating for a while…maybe those in colour, with the subjects animated animals rather than human?

What, exactly, was that statement meant to say? I know what it says about you, but to me all it says is that you want death, destruction, unnecessary slaughter.
Are you trying to say that if the Polish Jews had had guns it wouldn’t have happened? ‘Coz the Polish army didn’t have guns did they? (Yes they did, and that didn’t prevent it)
Are you trying to say that the US people should have their guns taken away so that your comparison with the Holocaust can be worked through? Ha – some chance.
Are you saying the US people should stand up and massacre the US police force because that is the only way to get them to stop and think? What a crazily dumb idea. You cannot sincerely believe that the police would think again just because there is a chance that the citizen might be armed – hell, they are shooting people for having phones in their hands at the moment!!!

An eye for an eye would make the world blind…

Not that it helps the guy any but they had a major protest about this and other APD “indiscretions” which eventually turned somewhat violent against the cops, this occurred on Sunday. Supposedly it will be investigated by Internal Affairs but that’s cops investigating themselves, no good will come of it. this is a growing trend in the USA, it seems to have started by cops killing peoples pets to intimidate them, now its just shooting people under very dubious circumstances, its only a matter of time till they try to kill the wrong person and he gets the drop on them. People here are getting fed up with this scot free murdering and something is going to give,,,,

I once saw a movie where only the cops and military had guns,,,, it was called “Schindlers List”