What about Tibet?

Re: Mongu…..not again!

Originally posted by serendib
Mongu,

I am gone for a few months and you start writing nonsense again? Absolving the white Christian Europeans that decimated the Aboroginal populations of Australia and at the same time chastigating the Chinese in Tibet?

Tsk, tsk, I thought you knew better than that.

Btw, Geforce nice to know that you are still alive and kicking. Is Rabie still around as well?

Sam.

Alive yes, kicking certainly. Rabie is gone though.

Haven’t seen this one before – and it makes for interesting reading! If only I had the ability to flame and insult at the drop of a baseball cap!!! (And if only it wasn’t too hot to sleep)

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Tibet has been apart of China for hundreds of years before the west even knew there was such a place.

Thirteen years ago there took place an invasion which was apparently justified to the world by very similar rhetoric.
And another happened twenty one years ago – and El Generalissimo made the same sort of noises to his people.

Now I happen to know that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and the definition will always remain blurred unless one side happens to be USA friendly – which is probably why we have heard so little about what is actually happening in Tibet. 🙁 I don’t have any hard information to hand but did come across one of those unfortunates ranting in the street who was decrying the fate of poor, poor Tibet. I know that such people should be locked up for telling such lies but when mad fools shout to passers-by about the rape and murder of Tibetans by glorious Chinese soldiers the people will start to wonder. The American police had the right idea when they broke up anti-Gulf war protests in cities across the states by force – and I don’t believe the rumour that one loony died as a result of trying to deflect a baton charge with their head – as I am sure the Chinese authorities would do the same too, and I also believe that they both would successfully keep such disgraceful behaviour by the plebeians out of the supportive press – much as the cowardly Tibetans have received no coverage of their gutless campaign against their natural rulers.
Mnngar (takes tongue out of cheek!) 😀 😀 😀
There have been Tibetan terrorists (coz that is what they would be to both the Chinese and Americans, these days 🙁 ); I read a year or two ago a report by a photographer who trekked with a resistance fighter and watched the destruction of an army truck after an attack on a logging camp. That is possibly the major problem to the fiscally minded – the fact that China can’t practice deforestation on a large scale because they have problems protecting the lumberjacks… And with the wimpy commie-lovin’ greens moaning about protecting endangered hard wood forests where do you think the next load could be coming from?
Um, anyway. :confused:
Rome held control of large parts of Europe for hundreds of years – I welcome the sight of the Italian army trying to enforce that one!!! 😀 😀 😀

Feeling tired. Need sleep.

Flood retires to his lead-lined bunker, resolving to keep his head down for a while.

Mongu…..not again!

Mongu,

I am gone for a few months and you start writing nonsense again? Absolving the white Christian Europeans that decimated the Aboroginal populations of Australia and at the same time chastigating the Chinese in Tibet?

Tsk, tsk, I thought you knew better than that.

Btw, Geforce nice to know that you are still alive and kicking. Is Rabie still around as well?

Sam.

at least mine doesn’t have a beard 😀

Ge

Speaking of mothers, I found a pic of yours…

USAgent, where do you keep getting these emoticons from?

Ohh, and that picture of Arthur. Man, don’t be too chauvenistic. I know you Americans are very proud on the thousand of hamburgers you consume each year, and I also know we have to install new desks at our uni because the American foreign exchange students don’t fit in them anymore. But please, spare us sending pictures from your own mother (she can use a razerblade though, is she perhaps amish :D)?

Originally posted by plawolf
this is kind of like vietnam, no matter how many blows u
he takes, he just keep coming back for more. i guess i should follow the US’ example and just give up, cos there’s just no way i can make him see sence, cos he’s so stubun or thick u woundnt take anything in no matter how obviously i point out the faults in ur arguments or how many valid points i make.

LOL…let me know when you do…so far, all you’ve mainly done is call me names and insult my country. And when there was a point worth any merit made by you, I countered it with legitimate facts. :rolleyes:

this is kind of like vietnam, no matter how many blows u
he takes, he just keep coming back for more. i guess i should follow the US’ example and just give up, cos there’s just no way i can make him see sence, cos he’s so stubun or thick u woundnt take anything in no matter how obviously i point out the faults in ur arguments or how many valid points i make.

WACHENRODER

As for bombing the PRC territory during the war, well I don’t think the US wanted to drag the possibility of having direct conflict with the USSR (whom they feared more than the PRC).. any involvement with the USSR could open up another front in Europe which was still devastated by WW2, and could the American populace stomach the possibility of fighting China, N.Korea, and the USSR in Asia while fighting the Eastern Bloc in Europe?

Personally, I don’t think Stalin would have had the sack to commit massive land forces to the Korean conflict…he still had to worry about consolidating his “satellites” in eastern Europe.

And yes, the American populace could have stomached another war…we feared communism that much…and we understood just how much of a threat it was to our way of life. I cannot speak for the French or English.

I’m not saying America should have used nukes on China…or attempted an invasion….but bombing the PLA’s supply lines (on both sides of the Yalu) would have bee the most prudent strategy.

Oh, wear to begin with your CCP-based history.

First, the PLA sent almost 1 million troops across the Yalu in a surprise attack (300,000 in the first wave alone)…the UN forces (mostly Americans) directly opposing them across the river was only 90,000, spread out very thin. It took two more human waves (estimated at another 500,000) in order for the PLA to push the UN forces back down the peninsula and eventually capture Seoul. Once the UN forces gathered themselves they stopped the PLA/NK advance at the 37th parallel and then retook Seoul. The PLA/NK attempted 2 more failed advances to capture Seoul before truce talks began. At best, it was a draw.

However, if the US had done the right thing (and treated the PRC like the enemy it was) by bombing PRC territory directly, I believe Korea would be governed by the south today…and mainland China would be governed by the RoC.

Oh, Vietnam kicked the PLA’s ass…you’re just proud too admit it…or too dumb to realize it.

I wouldn’t say that whoever kills the most enemy necessarily means they are the victors of the war.. rather whoever achieves their political goal is the winner..and this goal varies between the two sides.

As to the Korean war.. it was both a draw, loss and victory in several ways..

it was a draw as neither sides never managed to secure the entire peninsula for themselves

it was a loss because the Chinese lost so many men while the US had not faced anything less than a victory for a long time.

domestically in CHina it was a victory as the Korean war forced the US to recognize the CCP as the official ruling party of mainland China (prior to the korean war, the US did not recognize Mao’s government), also the war came in time just after the communist revolution thus the CCP used this conflict to get people’s attention away from domestic problems and onto fighting a superpower. the PRC somehow managed to keep inflation down after the war as well.

As for bombing the PRC territory during the war, well I don’t think the US wanted to drag the possibility of having direct conflict with the USSR (whom they feared more than the PRC).. any involvement with the USSR could open up another front in Europe which was still devastated by WW2, and could the American populace stomach the possibility of fighting China, N.Korea, and the USSR in Asia while fighting the Eastern Bloc in Europe?

As for Vietnam, well they fought two wars with China..one in 79 and 88..

the reason why China entered that war will probably be up in debate for a while as it varies..

but if u go by the official declaration that they wanted to launch a “punitive” invasion, then the PRC certainly did it as they did do some damage to the vietnamese provinces up north..

but if u go by the declaration to get the Vietnamese to withdraw from Cambodia, than it was a loss for the PRC because Vietnam still held on to it and expelled (or to some they would think it was a withdrawl) the PRC military forces out of Vietnam.

but 2 important lessons were learned from that war..
1. the Soviets did not send any military assistance to Vietnam
2. there were major flaws in the tactics the PRC military used as their supplie lines were severely strained most of the time.

A little better, but still not worthy the time i spent reading that sentence.

I’m sure you can do better – i know your writing skills are there. After all, you are the authors of postings which not only suggest the sound of a flushing toilet, but also give a sense of smell telling that the toilet should have been flushed many warm days prior to that.

See? Now it’s your turn again.

Re: Re: Re: Re: PLAdog

Originally posted by Arthur
Yawn. I’ll be happy to recieve a nice, vicious and absolutely repulsive insult from you, at least it provers you’re able to come up with one.

Tell you what, i give you the chance to try and insult me again and i’ll tell you if it was good or not. Don’t worry, i still have a number of years left in me so you should be able to think of something. Or you could even try and make some friends and ask if they could help you!

Hmmm…no…you’re really not worth the time.

Re: ha

Originally posted by plawolf
i never met anyone as incredible daft as u us agent.

“You are the one that is desparate…to believe that your beloved PRC is so benevolent that it would never resort to such tactics. Trying to counter my sound arguments with name calling and NO FACTS only makes you look all the more pathetic and ignorant. (see, two can play at that game)”

oh, so im ‘desperate’ cos i dont share ur paranoid view of what the future is like? does the PRC have a carrier? no, so how could it ‘bully’ its neighbours with sth it doesnt have? i wounldnt call that ‘sound arguments’.

dont asume that everyone will abuse their power like the US has.

Since when does a country need a carrier in order to “bully” others?…especially when its neighbors have such a weak naval capacity. All the PLAN needs is 4-5 heavy cruisers (which it has) in order to bully the likes of the Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia.

BTW, Japan has decided to build a couple of WASP-class LHAs…I bet the PRC will build their own (or buy plans from France/Russia) in the next 5-7 years…mark my words.

and name calling? LOL, maybe there is some good at having u around, at least i can get a good laugh out of it.

You are so simple-minded, yet you actually believe you have defended your argument with the statement above…how truly sad.

“Korea…China = 500,000 dead, America = 30,000 dead…and the war pretty much ended where it started…I’d say the Chicoms lost that round.

Vietnam…okay, the US may have “lost” that conflict, but at least we put up a fight for over 10 years…unlike the Chicoms, who were soundly defeated in 1979 in less than a month by the same enemy.”

get ur history right first. the PRC didnt enter the war in korea until the UN, opss, US forces were within a stone through of the Yalu river (boarder with china). thats quite a long way from where the line of control is now. oh, the PLA also forced the US army to go on its longest continuous retreat in history, and they did this with close to no heavy weapons and air cover. i’d say if anyone lost ‘that round’, it was the US.

as for the sino-vietnam war. well, unlike someone who got sucked into a war of attrition, a war that could not be won without wiping out the vietnamese population, we got in, achieve our objectives in less than a month and got out. thats got to be better then slugging in out for 10 years not only unable to achieve ur objectives but having been kicked out at then end.

Oh, wear to begin with your CCP-based history.

First, the PLA sent almost 1 million troops across the Yalu in a surprise attack (300,000 in the first wave alone)…the UN forces (mostly Americans) directly opposing them across the river was only 90,000, spread out very thin. It took two more human waves (estimated at another 500,000) in order for the PLA to push the UN forces back down the peninsula and eventually capture Seoul. Once the UN forces gathered themselves they stopped the PLA/NK advance at the 37th parallel and then retook Seoul. The PLA/NK attempted 2 more failed advances to capture Seoul before truce talks began. At best, it was a draw.

However, if the US had done the right thing (and treated the PRC like the enemy it was) by bombing PRC territory directly, I believe Korea would be governed by the south today…and mainland China would be governed by the RoC.

Oh, Vietnam kicked the PLA’s ass…you’re just proud too admit it…or too dumb to realize it.

“Compared to the US, the PRC does have a crappy military…but compared to its neighbors (which it bullies) the PRC military is quite dangerous.”

still no proof of how the PRC is ‘bullying’ it neighbours. stop making stupid claims if u cant back’um up.

See my previous posts…just because you cannot read, doesn’t make the claims stupid…it makes YOU stupid.

“‘YAWN’ back at ya. 99% of the world is the USA…the other 1% is the rest of the world….deal with it.”

its these kinds of statements that makes me doubt ur sanity.

“Blah, blah, blah…you’re just unable to argue my questions/comments with facts and any form of intelligence, so you avoid answering them…just like a good propoganda student is taught…your CCP masters would be proud.”

that can be said abt all of ur posts.

And yours…

As for the Tibetans: i guess some people will only be happy when Tibetans are liberated to live in reservations where they can survive by running casino’s and selling tax-free sigarettes.

Re: Re: Re: PLAdog

Originally posted by US Agent
I’ll do you one better sparky.

After some extensive research, I believe I’ve finally found a photo of Arthur…

Yawn. I’ll be happy to recieve a nice, vicious and absolutely repulsive insult from you, at least it provers you’re able to come up with one.

Yet somehow, snatching a pic from Fugly (or did you take it indirectly from http://welcome.to/mytrailerparkpage? It does look like a habitat you could thrive in) doesn’t do the trick.

Tell you what, i give you the chance to try and insult me again and i’ll tell you if it was good or not. Don’t worry, i still have a number of years left in me so you should be able to think of something. Or you could even try and make some friends and ask if they could help you!

ha

i never met anyone as incredible daft as u us agent.

“You are the one that is desparate…to believe that your beloved PRC is so benevolent that it would never resort to such tactics. Trying to counter my sound arguments with name calling and NO FACTS only makes you look all the more pathetic and ignorant. (see, two can play at that game)”

oh, so im ‘desperate’ cos i dont share ur paranoid view of what the future is like? does the PRC have a carrier? no, so how could it ‘bully’ its neighbours with sth it doesnt have? i wounldnt call that ‘sound arguments’.

dont asume that everyone will abuse their power like the US has.

and name calling? LOL, maybe there is some good at having u around, at least i can get a good laugh out of it.

“Korea…China = 500,000 dead, America = 30,000 dead…and the war pretty much ended where it started…I’d say the Chicoms lost that round.

Vietnam…okay, the US may have “lost” that conflict, but at least we put up a fight for over 10 years…unlike the Chicoms, who were soundly defeated in 1979 in less than a month by the same enemy.”

get ur history right first. the PRC didnt enter the war in korea until the UN, opss, US forces were within a stone through of the Yalu river (boarder with china). thats quite a long way from where the line of control is now. oh, the PLA also forced the US army to go on its longest continuous retreat in history, and they did this with close to no heavy weapons and air cover. i’d say if anyone lost ‘that round’, it was the US.

as for the sino-vietnam war. well, unlike someone who got sucked into a war of attrition, a war that could not be won without wiping out the vietnamese population, we got in, achieve our objectives in less than a month and got out. thats got to be better then slugging in out for 10 years not only unable to achieve ur objectives but having been kicked out at then end.

“Compared to the US, the PRC does have a crappy military…but compared to its neighbors (which it bullies) the PRC military is quite dangerous.”

still no proof of how the PRC is ‘bullying’ it neighbours. stop making stupid claims if u cant back’um up.

“‘YAWN’ back at ya. 99% of the world is the USA…the other 1% is the rest of the world….deal with it.”

its these kinds of statements that makes me doubt ur sanity.

“Blah, blah, blah…you’re just unable to argue my questions/comments with facts and any form of intelligence, so you avoid answering them…just like a good propoganda student is taught…your CCP masters would be proud.”

that can be said abt all of ur posts.

Originally posted by Geforce
Nice emoticons and stuff, USAgent. Makes me wonder though that apart from your these nice add-ons, the rest of your posts are utter utter crap.

Much like your bias towards America…go hug a terrorist you Belgian appeaser. :p

Re: ‘yawn’

BIG YAWN…

Originally posted by plawolf
agent

“When the CCP/PLA uses its new aircraft and/or naval vessels to intimidate the Philippines, Vietnam, etc into giving up its claims on territories in the S. China Sea…it is because they have been unsuccessful in negotiating…nothing more. Stop trying to justify this type of behavior. In your twisted brain, you condemn the US, yet condone the CCP…you are a hypocrite.”

oh, ur so desperate ur looking at hypothetical possibilities to try to justify ur belief in cold war era prapaganda. since u r having such a hard time getting to grip with what is ACTUALLY happening, dont even bother trying to predict what will, u just make urself look more dumb.

You are the one that is desparate…to believe that your beloved PRC is so benevolent that it would never resort to such tactics. Trying to counter my sound arguments with name calling and NO FACTS only makes you look all the more pathetic and ignorant. (see, two can play at that game)

“If the Chicoms fv*k with the US they will LOSE…you can take that to the bank.”

oh, like how we ‘lost’ in korea? like how the vietnamese ‘lost’ in nam? get ur history right.

Korea…China = 500,000 dead, America = 30,000 dead…and the war pretty much ended where it started…I’d say the Chicoms lost that round.

Vietnam…okay, the US may have “lost” that conflict, but at least we put up a fight for over 10 years…unlike the Chicoms, who were soundly defeated in 1979 in less than a month by the same enemy.

“Nice propoganda…did you learn that one in “Chicom History: 101”? “

yeah, the PRC went in with a couple of stardestroyers and only just managed to blow 3 vietnam fishing boats out of the water. feel better? its funny how the likes of u laugh at the PRC for having a ‘crappy’ military, then when u need to justify the ‘china threat’ or that china has been a ‘naughty boy’ the PRC’s military suddenly become the second most powerful after the US.

Compared to the US, the PRC does have a crappy military…but compared to its neighbors (which it bullies) the PRC military is quite dangerous.

“The government of Taiwan is the legitimate ruling body of China…the CCP is a dictatorship and must be toppled. Hopefully, the people of mainland China will revolt and make the is happen.”

‘yawn’, 99% of the world doesnt agree with u, nor does ur own gov. if we’re going there, all the yanks should pack ur bags and go back to where u came from and give the land back to the indians who are the rightful owners of america.

‘YAWN’ back at ya. 99% of the world is the USA…the other 1% is the rest of the world….deal with it.

the rest of ur post is just pour BS flames with no point what so ever except to show ur ignarence and utter contempt for those who dont agree with u.

Blah, blah, blah…you’re just unable to argue my questions/comments with facts and any form of intelligence, so you avoid answering them…just like a good propoganda student is taught…your CCP masters would be proud.

Re: Re: PLAdog

Originally posted by Arthur
Thanks for setting the standard. Especially since your PRC-bashing while being a US-apologetic-all-the-way falls under the definition of hypocricy you just set yourself.

Oh, and don’t bother thinking of a reply. I’ll be perfectly happy with an annoying animated gif 😀

I’ll do you one better sparky.

After some extensive research, I believe I’ve finally found a photo of Arthur…

AMIS: A language of Taiwan
Population 130,000 (1986 Virginia Fey TEAM).
Region Plains in the valley along the railroad between Hualien and Taitung, and on the east coast near the sea between Hualien and Taitung.
Alternate names AMI, AMIA, PAGCAH, PANGTSAH, BAKURUT, LAM-SI-HOAN, MARAN, SABARI, TANAH
Dialects CENTRAL AMIS (HAIAN AMI, HSIUKULAN AMI), TAVALONG-VATAAN (KWANGFU, KUANGFU), SOUTHERN AMIS (PEINAN, HENGCH’UN AMIS, TAITUNG), CHENGKUNG-KWANGSHAN, NORTHERN AMIS (NANSHI AMIS).
Classification Austronesian, Formosan, Paiwanic.
Comments The Chengkung-Kwangshan dialect is closest to Central Amis. Bilingualism in Japanese, Mandarin. ‘Amis’ is their name for themselves; ‘Ami’ is the Chinese name. Traditionally matrilineal. Many are migrating to cities and industrial areas. Dictionary. Roman script used. Plains. Agriculturalists: rice. NT 1972-1981.
Taken from www.ethnologue.com