April 22, 2005 at 11:18 pm
Taken during my recent visit to the Dumfries & Galloway museum. My knowledge of props is not good and Iām curious.
Plazz
By: Mayhem Marshy - 17th April 2015 at 16:54
think you would also see the Buffalo’s diagonal undercarriage form between the personnel pictured to the left of the picture, below the prop blade…
By: Mike J - 17th April 2015 at 15:31
I’d say that the wing dihedral in the first picture tends to suggest Wildcat too
By: WebPilot - 17th April 2015 at 14:55
They both seem to have the wing around head height. I’m not sure the Buffalo is appreciably lower, based on these images, even if the US pilot is standing on a chock. Of course, in the OP we can’t see the wheels so have no idea if its on jacks, or whatever.
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By: J Boyle - 17th April 2015 at 14:42
I based my reply on the fact the RN personnel seem to be taller than the wing.
Anyone have a shot showing a Wildcat with people standing in front?
Based on a few shots I found doing an internet search, the Wildcat’s wing is much higher off the ground.
So if it is a Wildcat either the plane is in a ditch or the people posing with it are very tall.
By: brewerjerry - 17th April 2015 at 06:16
Hi
I gotta vote buffalo
and the aerial has been removed as the aircraft is only for ground maintenance training
cheers
jerry
By: bazv - 17th April 2015 at 06:00
Nice bit of Martlet footage here inc where the pilot appears to have lorst his wallet : )
By: bazv - 17th April 2015 at 05:03
Here is a photo I found on the internet.
Its the FAA Museum Martlet during restoration.
Look at the upper part of the cowl ring.
Good pic : )
So it is a G36 A/Martlet 1 as Duggy surmised but not a main production version !
By: adrian_gray - 16th April 2015 at 22:14
There were only a few delivered to the RN, primarily to 804 at Hatston and 805 in the Mediterranean / Middle East.
Unfortunately my copy of “Skies Over Scapa” is with a friend, but even having looked through the appendices, I can still be surprised to fond yet another type that served at Hatston!
Adrian
By: Good Vibs - 16th April 2015 at 21:42
Here is a photo I found on the internet.
Its the FAA Museum Martlet during restoration.
Look at the upper part of the cowl ring.
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By: bazv - 16th April 2015 at 20:46
I can see why the wildcat seems the most likely,however I – like John Aeroclub are questioning the large trough shaped ‘cut out’ (for want of a better word) in the upper outer cowling ring which is quite obviously for gun trough clearance through the cowl ring – does the Martlet/Wildcat have that ?? Not evident in post 7 – although presumably different marks of aircraft could have different cowl rings – however pics of wildcats might suggest that their gun troughs were neither as low or deep enough to require the large cut outs in the cowl ring !
rgds baz
By: GliderSpit - 16th April 2015 at 13:31
Thanks again for the reply’s!
By: Mayhem Marshy - 16th April 2015 at 11:47
Judging by the height of the wings against fuselage, Marlet. Buffalo’s wings appear to be mounted slightly lower
By: MrBlueSky - 16th April 2015 at 11:46
Quick tidy up…
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By: spiteful21k - 16th April 2015 at 11:28
Marlet Mk I
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By: WebPilot - 16th April 2015 at 11:09
The absence of an aeriel mast on the forward fuselage and the paddle blade prop denotes that this is a Wildcat / Martlet, not a Buffalo.
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By: Atcham Tower - 16th April 2015 at 10:37
I would suggest it’s a Wildcat and the photo was taken at the training establishment at Milmeece, Staffs, known as HMS Fledgling. I think it was exclusively for training Wrens as ground crew as seen in the photo, but I may be wrong about that.
By: WebPilot - 16th April 2015 at 09:52
RN Buffalos were from a Belgium order that never reached their intended destination. There were only a few delivered to the RN, primarily to 804 at Hatston and 805 in the Mediterranean / Middle East. They did see some combat with one Buffalo shot down.
There’s a shot of an 805 Buffalo here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/billchilton/4508924436/in/set-72157623826178790
By: cthornburg - 16th April 2015 at 08:48
According to my project about World Air Forces I have reference to the RN having Buffalo’s. Now my library is boxed up so can’t go beyond that. In what capacity I don’t know.
Chris
By: bazv - 16th April 2015 at 06:55
Looking at the ‘mix’ of personnel – it could be a tech training unit or similar – training airframes are not necessarily types used by any particular service – as long as they are fairly representative of service aircraft !
The gun ‘troughs’ do look a little large to be a Grumman – but perhaps the G36 A was a little different in that respect !
Looking at pics of Buffalos – they have lower/longer gun troughs which look like they would have to pass through the engine outer ring – so I would still tend towards a Buffalo at a tech training unit perhaps : )