What is a pre-Moratorium airframe?

More drift, but.. saying ‘go to Google instead of the forum’ is no different from suggesting one reads books instead of asking on here. The point is missed – this forum (when it’s functioning at its best) is a distillation of expertise, not just in knowing ‘stuff’ but also ‘where to find stuff’, from experience. Google is worth mastering, and it’s not difficult. But.. ah, no, wait, I’m only going to start repeating what JDK has already said. Not for the first time.

I must say, I was one of the original 133, I looked in and read the request ! Knowing nothing of the subject I disapeared and came back later … lucky enough to find a lot of information on pre-moratorium exports. All part of that learning curve, thank you.
Also available is a little insight into some peoples lack of tollerance of others … mmmmm 😉

Keith.

Google is the only search engine that really works well for niche interests like warbird aviation. MSN, AOL and most others are poor finders of specialist info. Yahoo is reasonable half the time if Google isnt available.
And the advise already given, use as few key words as possible to focus on your question makes a big difference to the relevance of the information retrieved.
Accuracy is not always 100% which is where specialist knowledge like this forum comes in when the stakes are high enough to need professional or semi-professional advice!

Not just about ‘fast jet’ exports from USA.

Shipping agent once told me “You can’t export that its a military airplane. DoD approval needed”

Pointed out that its a 70 year-old biplane….

“In that case its a heritage asset, we have to go to the Museums service….” :rolleyes:

Basically, if they think you could start a war with one, it ain’t getting out of the USA. Counts for Soviet Bloc types already there as well.

Even getting military aircraft parts out of the USA is fraught with pitfalls, and some companies over there who have DoD contracts won’t risk them by exporting aircraft parts, even to the UK.

I think it should be added that, moratoriums (ia???) aside, any attempt to export a jet combat aircraft outside of the USA will be instantly vetoed by the Department of Homeland Security.

So no point in dreaming.

I did – you’ve shattered them 😀 (I don’t partake in the Lottery so I know I aint gonna win it though)

There can’t be a veto on ALL jet combat aircraft (eg F-80 to F-18) I realise the DoHS would clamp down on “current” or “recent” jet combat types but I wonder if there is a line or a list?

Roger Smith.

Agreed – it has succeeded in increasing knowledge, so that can’t be bad, can it?:)

You haven’t. No need for apologies.

Moggy
Moderator

Amen.

Francisco – there are a great many truly decent enthusiasts here – sometimes it takes time to sift through the Bravo Sierra, but in the end, the majority of us are here to learn more about our obsession. This thread was just FINE, in my humble opinion.

Keep coming back!:cool:

If I have transgressed the spirit or the purpose of the forum then I surely apologise.

You haven’t. No need for apologies.

Moggy
Moderator

First a trickle, then a flood………..

I would like to thank everyone for their responses. If I have transgressed the spirit or the purpose of the forum then I surely apologise.

I must say, though, that I am puzzled by any suggestion that in posing a question on the forum that I might be either lazy or internet incompetent.

You can google a question and get some information, but its interpretation is key. It is the context and interpretation of that information that is helpful and DonClark kindly assisted me with just that.

The reason that I posted on this forum is my respect for the wide and comprehensive knowledge base that the forumites provide. Thankfully,the friendly and helpful responses outweigh the merely crtical.

Using Google, or any good search engine, is so simple that I, a 74-year-old Luddite, find it stunning that anybody can’t do it. You don’t have to know a thing about computers, or how search engines work, you just ask it a question. And the simpler the question is, the better.

Such as, for example, determining which of the following

“AERONAUTICA MILITAIRE”
“AERONAUTICA MILITARE”

is spelt correctly, when painting one’s Falco

:D:D:D

There is another important point here. Googling will easily and seamlessly provide you with thousands of answers. But in amongst them will you necessarily find the the answer you need? Wikipedia, for example, is useful but not to be taken as 100% accurate. Some entries are better than others but the “Be arned” notice should be applied to every entry.

You will find no better information than on a forum with a diversity of specialist talent, far better equipped to comprehensively answer most questions posed. Perhaps the 133 views did not comprise people who could answer the question. And then along came Don, who could!

I think it should be added that, moratoriums (ia???) aside, any attempt to export a jet combat aircraft outside of the USA will be instantly vetoed by the Department of Homeland Security.

So no point in dreaming.

G – thankfully computer facility isn’t any measure of wit – of either kind…

http://xkcd.com/386/

I’m not trying to be pissy here, …

Glad to hear it, but that’s how it came across. Sorry.

… I’m just trying to point out that there are far easier ways of getting an instant answer by doing a search rather than posting on a forum. Try it. It won’t hurt you, I promise.

However the benefit of posting on a forum is that you may well get additional and other information to a static piece of data. Posting the question on WIX will give you a lot of background, and non-FAA / US Govt views on the matter (and a lot of rants).

The purpose of the forum is to share information, and as such is a dynamic rather than static information source.

Mastery of Google is laudable. Mastery of the manners to be welcoming to other members I’d hope more basic. 😉

Having done internet training in the UK with people from pre-teen to a couple of 90+ year olds, each should be encouraged to use it as they think best, and given skills to use different tools. Not, I’d suggest, automatically directed to Google. It can be a bit more social than that.

Personally, I found the question reasonable Don’s comprehensive answer interesting (thanks, Don) and another nugget of stuff I don’t have to research myself.

What could have been a simple request for a bit of info seems to have been encrusted with a whole load of bad temper. Just think what a difference good manners, patience and a bit more rope would’ve made to the tone. 😎

Regards

DonClark,
Cheers, it feels good not being the only HALF-WIT on the forum :D:D

If you are in fact a ” 74-year-old Luddite” sitting behind a computer, my hat is off to you Sir!! My father is the same age, and he does not even know how to turn the bloody thing ON!

Even at my “tender” age of 37, google does not always show what I want it to show. I stand by my earlier comment, that maybe the OP was not specific in his searches (if he performed them!).

Using Google, or any good search engine, is so simple that I, a 74-year-old Luddite, find it stunning that anybody can’t do it. You don’t have to know a thing about computers, or how search engines work, you just ask it a question. And the simpler the question is, the better.

For example: Don’t put in “What is the meaning of a moratorium vis-a-vis warbird airplanes?” Although you could do that, it’s just inefficient. “Warbird moratorium” works way better. (As for the poster who points out that the questioner didn’t know that the “moratorium” had anything to do with the FAA, that’s irrelevant. “Warbird moratorium” would work just as well as “FAA warbird moratorium.”)

Try it sometime. Don’t be afraid. You won’t break your computer, you won’t set anything on fire. Faucet leaking? Google “fix a faucet.” Car won’t start? Google “jump a battery.” Can’t get it up? Google “erectile disfunction.”

I’m not trying to be pissy here, I’m just trying to point out that there are far easier ways of getting an instant answer by doing a search rather than posting on a forum. Try it. It won’t hurt you, I promise.

Stepwilk,
While I understand your first post, there is more to it than meets the eye! Some of us are completely useless at google-ing. More than once, I´ve been burned by that. I put up a question on here (or elsewhere) only to be told that it is easily found on google, but prior to asking I´ve usually been franticly googe-ing but have not found a match. I guess it has something to do with knowing how the search engines work, and what to put into them.

As for this OP´s question, I, for one, would never have thought about putting “FAA warbird moratorium” into google, as it appears he was not even a aware that the moratorium part had anything to do with the FAA!

Just my 2 cents worth! 😉

Sorry Stepwilk but I found your responses to be insulting at the least. Not everybody may have your internet savvy or would be thinking the same as you when making simple inquiries, which I personally feel is one of the purposes of this forum. EDUCATION..

Warren