What is the current status of the second Neustrashimy frigate, Yaroslav Mudry?

besides the fact that she is all but certainly getting Uran missiles we have no idea what they will be arming her with, if they stick in the Poyma-e targeting sytem, the new Shtil-1 VLS and some of the other new electronic goodies they have been working on for years she could be right up their with the Talwars. However if the only thing that sets the ship apart is its Urans, it will be a largely wasted hull in my opinion. The Kashin floating around in the black sea right now is little more than an Uran launching pad, the Russians obviously care more about ASM and SSM capability than anything else but this hull is obviously capable of handling more if you invest the $$$ in it.

As always it mostly a question of $$$.

She won’t be getting Shtil-1 VLS but rather retain the Klinok air defence missile system. Look ate the top of the forward superstructure: “as is” the ship has provisions for a front mounted MR-360 Podkat/Cross Sword SAM control radar, just like that found on the original first of class ship. If they were going to Shtil on here you would used Orekh fire control radars, which are much smaller and she would have at least 4. There would be no need for the forward sub-mast.

besides the fact that she is all but certainly getting Uran missiles we have no idea what they will be arming her with, if they stick in the Poyma-e targeting sytem, the new Shtil-1 VLS and some of the other new electronic goodies they have been working on for years she could be right up their with the Talwars. However if the only thing that sets the ship apart is its Urans, it will be a largely wasted hull in my opinion. The Kashin floating around in the black sea right now is little more than an Uran launching pad, the Russians obviously care more about ASM and SSM capability than anything else but this hull is obviously capable of handling more if you invest the $$$ in it.

As always it mostly a question of $$$.

Probably isnt any good? As long as she was kept in a resonable state during her prolonged wait the hull should be good. And the vessel when complete should be roughly equivilant to the British T23s.

It probably wouldn’t as her steering gear is still old compared to Aster’s, which results in less manoueverability. An ARH is also heavier, demands more battery power etc. Which would result in either a lighter warhead or less fuel, meaning less range.
Nonetheless I expected Poliment on this one, as they call her “the missile hunter”. Could of course be a writer’s input too. Anyway, old design, old ship, probably isn’t any good. They only completed her to get the slipways free without too much problems and costs. If they really mean “flagship”, then that might mean they will put Nastoychivy and Bespokoiny in the Northern Fleet again, although scrapyard is more likely. Bespokoiny isn’t much more of a piece of scrap held together by paint anyway.
The Funnel has also changed, looks like a late Soviet idea, Ukraina, the last Slava also has such a funnel now.

It would make more sense to put an ARH head on the Shtil (actually I was half expecting them to do that!).

They can do it , but that would make the Shtil more expensive , Although its not a bad idea and I have been suggesting that , A ARH or IIR seeker would make here better than the Aster-15.

It would make more sense to put an ARH head on the Shtil (actually I was half expecting them to do that!).

Shtil is a cost effective weapon , meant to be cheaper system , Aster is in a different league as its a ARH missile and not a SARH , so its like fire and forget for aster.

IIRC correctly both Aster-30 and Shtil VLS is a Mach 4.5 missile , The older Shtil is a Mach 3 SAM.

But for russia its not an issue since they already have S-300 Naval variants( the latest variant testef had a range of 150 Km ) plus if the need be they can always convert the S-400 into a Naval system.

Can you throw light on the new illuminator for Shtil VLS never heard about it ??????

the shtiil even with the MR-90 outranges the Aster-15 by 2-5km’s. The Russians are working on a new generation of illuminators, the mr-90 is an OLD system at this point, it makes little sense to couple a brand new missile and VLS with this old illuminator.

Of course, Shtil is no ASTER-30, but it is a solid .5 mach faster than the aster-30. If Shtil gets a new illuminator that takes advantage of its full range that coupled with its .5 mach speed advantage will makeup at least in part for the range difference between it and the Aster-30 (which has a range of what 90-100km’s? almost 2x that of Shtil).

The best thing you can say is that Shtil is somewhere in between the Aster-15 and the Aster-30, and since it can be coupled with RIF on larger combatants thats probably exactly what the Russians intended.

The new Shtil VLS on paper seems to compare very favorably to the Aster, its probably isnt up there with the latest flavor of the SM-2 however.

Not really the Aster’s are in different league , The Shtil is a SARH missile , Its range is limited to 35 Km ( though it can go further ) because of the limitation of its FC radar Orekh , Also has the limitation on the number of missile which can be fired and guided to it target again its a FC limitation.

The Aster is a ARH missile , is guided my a Phased array radar like EMPAR, Sampson and consquently can track and fire at larger number of targets and definately a much more capable system.

But Shtil VLS are much cheaper and has a speed of Mach 4.5 comparable to Aster in that respect.

To compare with SM-2/SM-3 there is the S-300P naval version and if required Russia could convert the S-400 into a Naval SAM would give capability similar to the SM-3.

thanks for the picture

yeah, I kinda hope they stuck the new Shtil VLS on her, but my gut and brain tell me they dont have the $$$ for that.

The new Shtil VLS on paper seems to compare very favorably to the Aster, its probably isnt up there with the latest flavor of the SM-2 however.

BTW, this picture was taken back in May 2005. Work has advanced a lot by now.

Mudry’s nearly finished, everything in place, ready for a nice coat of paint and she’ll be ready. As they also mentioned this year:

MOSCOW. Sept 16 (Interfax-AVN) – Cutting-edge Project 20380
corvettes will be fielded with the Baltic Fleet in the near future,
Admiral Vladimir Valuev, Baltic Fleet Commander, told Interfax-Military
News Agency.
“The Baltic Fleet expects to receive up to 10-13 Project 20380
corvettes,” he said.
He also pointed out that the Baltic Fleet expected to be equipped
with the Yaroslav Mudry flagship in 2006-2007. “It was decided to
complete the construction, and we hope that the ship will be finished in
2006 in order to enter service with the Baltic Fleet in 2007,” Valuev
said.
At the same time he noted the high combat efficiency of the
Yaroslav Mudry flagship, especially as far as air defense was concerned.
“The ship is so efficient, that it has been nicknamed “missile hunter”,
” he said.
Valuev pointed out that at the present time the surface ship
strength of the Baltic Fleet amounted to 60 ships of various types,
including missile boats.
He also said that the Baltic Fleet would have established a
submarine brigade, comprising up to nine subs, by the end of 2007. “The
new submarine brigade to be established in the next two years will be
equipped with six to nine cutting-edge Project 677 Lada submarines,”
Valuev said.
The Baltic Fleet is manned with 25,000 men.
The new corvette was developed at the Almaz Central Naval Design
Bureau, based in St. Petersburg.
The corvette is armed with advanced anti-ship, anti-submarine and
air defense missile systems. The 100-mm multi-purpose deck artillery
system enables it to effectively counter hostile vessels of the same
type as well as engage shore targets. The Kashtan-type anti-aircraft
missile artillery system is capable of killing low-altitude airborne
targets with super-sonic missiles at a distance of up to 10 kilometers.
The two AK-30 automatic artillery systems are designed to destroy
targets at a distance of up to five kilometers.
The stealth technology of the vessel minimizes its radar, infrared,
magnetic and visual signature.
The vessel is capable of launching missile strikes on hostile
surface ships and shore objects and participating in anti-submarine
operations; it can be hardly detected by the enemy’s aircraft radars due
to its low signature. The 100-mm automatic system enables the corvette
to provide fire support to friendly landing troops.
The new ship will displace up to 2,000 tonnes; it will be 100
meters long and 13 meters wide.
The corvette is fitted with a K-27 deck helicopter.

Pretty funny that they call her missile hunter, especially because they already have one of those in service and a dozen more ships with the same Air Defence system!
On the other hand, she does differ a bit from Neustrashimiy in the mid-section, where the SSMs will come.