What is your best multi-purpose corvette design?

Is it me or did the Ukranian design add some Western weapons? The helicopter looks like the Lynx and the front turret like the stealthy 76mm Oto-Melara.

—–JT—–

Looks like a cross between the Visby and the project 2038.1 Steregushchy.

Regards.

Ukrainian design in the works right now

Cost 140 million US.

That’s a nice looking ship. Reminds me of the Visby but obviously larger. What’s the length of the ship? Any details on the weapons load?

—–JT—–

Ukrainian design in the works right now

Cost 140 million US.

Barroso Corvette (Inhaúma Mod.)

The brazilian navy’s Inhaúma class is a very conventional, substantially over-armed, light frigate design using standard hull forms and layouts. The 95 meter hull is flush-decked, with a deckhouse running nearly the whole length. The helicopter deck and hangar form part of the superstructure.
Barroso is a follow-on design of the original class, which now constitutes the fifth ship of the series, was ordered in 1993. Its hull, at 328 feet (100 m) is 4.2 meters longer than the original.
Armament:
4.5 in Mk 8 Vickers; Bofors 40 Sea Trinity Mk 3 CIWS; Mk 32 tubes; MM-40 Exocet SSM and SAH-11A Westland Super Lynx

More details:

http://www.naval.com.br/dossie/Barroso/barroso.htm

How stealthy and effective “keeping in mind it’ll face U214″ the customized P28 is going to be when compared with this ” Meko CSL” or visby?

We might see some small structural changed as well.

My personal choice is Visby, looks real stealthy.

That is what they did to the Gepard design that was sold to Vietnam too. Looks pretty similar actually and a lot cheaper.

The Tigr Export Variant is still different from this one in having Kinzhal rectangular VLS and Klub VLS. There used to be a video on the Almaz site about the normal Stereguchiy and the Upgraded Tigr version. Not sure if it’s still there.

I meant the force and MR Sengupta.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Project28.html

In a news article from the Press Trust of India, dated 30 October 2005, Rear Admiral T S Ganeshan (Retd) – GRSE’s Chairman & Managing Director – said, “It is a 2500 ton corvette armed with stealth-mounted guns, the latest electronic warfare suite which, together with other key operational equipment and is shielded using stealth technology incorporated into the design of the bulwarks. The structure of the ship would be such that it would cut down noise drastically to prevent it from getting detected by enemy submarines. But it will be able to detect an enemy submarine from a distance and destroy it.”
The 20380 is rated at 2000 tonne fiully loaded which makes it much smaller. I don’t have a lin but I remember admiral T S Ganesan had refuted that the P-28 was based on 20380. I am guessing now but it could easily be a smaller version of talwar itself.

A link on how the 2500 tonne figure came about:
http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?category=National&slug=India+builds+first+warship&id=80706

Don’t make a mistake, 20380 is the ship for Russian Navy, prototype for P-28 is the export version 20382. Depending on weapon suit it may be easily 2500 tons instead of quite lightely armed 20380.

IMO the P28 will be >=2500 tonnes.
Some days back it was confirmed it’ll carry same engines as lafayett class isnt it?
the PAC whatever i dun member.

I really wanna see a pic of it.

I meant the force and MR Sengupta.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Project28.html

In a news article from the Press Trust of India, dated 30 October 2005, Rear Admiral T S Ganeshan (Retd) – GRSE’s Chairman & Managing Director – said, “It is a 2500 ton corvette armed with stealth-mounted guns, the latest electronic warfare suite which, together with other key operational equipment and is shielded using stealth technology incorporated into the design of the bulwarks. The structure of the ship would be such that it would cut down noise drastically to prevent it from getting detected by enemy submarines. But it will be able to detect an enemy submarine from a distance and destroy it.”
The 20380 is rated at 2000 tonne fiully loaded which makes it much smaller. I don’t have a lin but I remember admiral T S Ganesan had refuted that the P-28 was based on 20380. I am guessing now but it could easily be a smaller version of talwar itself.

A link on how the 2500 tonne figure came about:
http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?category=National&slug=India+builds+first+warship&id=80706

That is wrong and was only a rumour started by the farce magazine. The only known thing about P-28 is that it will 2500 tonn displacement corvette, unlike 20380 which is less than 2000 tonn fully loaded.

Kindly make explicit which magazine you mean with “farce magazine”.

Incidentally 20380 is rated at 1900-2000 tons.

It’s possible that there is no connection whatsever (see P25, P25A: russian designs involvement, but not linked to any russian design.) On the other hand, it makes perfect sense in current trend, looking at how P15 (configuration based on Sovremenny) and P17 (configuration based on Talwar/Krivak) developed.

Do you have better suggestion/ionformation?

I thought that when I first looked at it but the more I look, the more it seems to be the 57mm. I dont think the vessel is that big, and remember how large the stealth 57mm mounting looks on the Visby.

The CSL is only 108m long so I’m fairly certain it is the 57mm. Although it’s interesting if you notice the smaller turret that looks like a tiny 57mm right above it.

—–JT—–

From what I understand, P28 is pretty much going to be a version of the RUssian project 20380 but probably with Barak and Klub-N.

That is wrong and was only a rumour started by the farce magazine. The only known thing about P-28 is that it will 2500 tonn displacement corvette, unlike 20380 which is less than 2000 tonn fully loaded.

I would take issue with the concept of buying an overly large, underarmed “platform” in hopes of acquiring additional weapons and sensor at a later date – the infamous “mid-life update,” which never seems to materialize in full.

In most cases, there is little point in “leaving room for future growth” because it is rare to see truly substantial – and expensive – upgrades.

The modular approach to capabilities only works if there is the money and will to purchase the applicable modules.

Unused growth potential is better than a design with zero growth potential. You don’t want designs like the Type 21 and Type 42 which were not exactly cheap and offered very little room for upgrades and growth (excepting the batch 3 42’s) without trading off existing equipment, or worse still, the Israeli corvettes that can’t even carry their intended weapons and systems fit. A warship is an investment for 20-30 years, in that time there is usually some form of need for growth, be it sensor upgrades or additional equipment. A situation like the Type 21 where the decision that it wasn’t worth mid life upgrades was taken when the class were still new doesn’t make a great deal of economic sense. Better to have the option and not use it than to have the choice too, and it’s amazing what sort of upgrade can be done in an emergency when it is really needed.
Plus this is not just about “fitted for but not with”, it’s about what sort of sensor and weapons fit a hull of a given size can take and operate effectively, and what the hulls stability and strength can accommodate without risk of failure. History is full of warships with weapons they couldn’t work effectively, or hulls that suffered heavy structural damage from over loading, or stability taken too near the margins, all of which are not especially desirable.

Does anyone have any information about the main gun depicted on the Meko CSL drawing? It looks like the 57mm MK3 stealth mounting, but it is far larger?

I thought that when I first looked at it but the more I look, the more it seems to be the 57mm. I dont think the vessel is that big, and remember how large the stealth 57mm mounting looks on the Visby.

How about the new MEKO CSL…modular, stealthy, high-speed. Supposedly this design will now replace the proposed Visby+ and Visby++ designs.

http://www.tk-marinesystems.de/index.php?level=4&CatID=101&inhalt_id=177&product=30&subprod=1&detail=3&detail2=25

—–JT—–

Does anyone have any information about the main gun depicted on the Meko CSL drawing? It looks like the 57mm MK3 stealth mounting, but it is far larger?

Worth remembering there are limits to what can usefully be accomodated in a hull of given size. A vessel is a compromise between speed, endurance, sea keeping qualities and stability, fire power and sensor fit, the problem with a lot of the ideas for high capability corvettes is they overload the hull, leave zero room for future growth and end up almost as expensive as a larger frigate offering much better long term capabilities. Somebody say Sa’ar V.

I would take issue with the concept of buying an overly large, underarmed “platform” in hopes of acquiring additional weapons and sensor at a later date – the infamous “mid-life update,” which never seems to materialize in full.

In most cases, there is little point in “leaving room for future growth” because it is rare to see truly substantial – and expensive – upgrades.

The modular approach to capabilities only works if there is the money and will to purchase the applicable modules.

Worth remembering there are limits to what can usefully be accomodated in a hull of given size. A vessel is a compromise between speed, endurance, sea keeping qualities and stability, fire power and sensor fit, the problem with a lot of the ideas for high capability corvettes is they overload the hull, leave zero room for future growth and end up almost as expensive as a larger frigate offering much better long term capabilities. Somebody say Sa’ar V.

How about the new MEKO CSL…modular, stealthy, high-speed. Supposedly this design will now replace the proposed Visby+ and Visby++ designs.

http://www.tk-marinesystems.de/index.php?level=4&CatID=101&inhalt_id=177&product=30&subprod=1&detail=3&detail2=25

—–JT—–

Better in an AAW standpoint

Lets say the Gowind 2000 being a multipurpose combatant, was armed with 16 Aster -15 and a CIWS system (? 30mm gun), how would it fair with say the Meko-A100 with 32 ESSM and 35 millenium gun? Consider a saturation attack scenario.

And just a question what is the ideal missile load to be a persistent AAW combatant “corvette style” in a medium to high threath environment. (Consider 16 active Aster-15 vs 32 semi active ESSM)