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What missile is that ?

First i’d like to say hello to everyone, great to be here. Been following this great forum for long time , and decided to join recently. God if only i’d have a brain big enough to assimilate all this info :p!

Anyway , i’d like to ask aquestion about a “mysterious” soviet missile. Now there’s a catch here too, as i still cant find a way to copy the image from the book, which is in PDF format !

The book is Yefim Gordon’s Mig-21, and at page 129 there are some pictures of some early Mig-21Rs at an exhibition for the soviet top brass, and among various bombs , unguided rockets , R-3S/R and RS-2US misils , there’s a mysterious, suposedly air to ground misile that even Mr. Gordon couldn’t identify!

Now ,please, is there anyone who might know what weapon is that, any info about it ? Couldnt find it anywhere so far , neither on the net , nor in several russian and english soviet missiles books …unless i somehow completely missed it!

Thank you very much for your time and help.

Mack8

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By: MadRat - 24th February 2013 at 10:16

Interesting link on Soviet missile development. http://www.missiles.ru/history.htm

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By: Mercurius - 22nd January 2013 at 11:45

I didn’t need to research it. I’m old enough to remember the incident. When Flight admitted to having been hoaxed, it published a second pic from the hoaxer to illustrate the guy’s skills. The new pic showed the TSR.2 in flight, and was based on the first official photo of the aircraft to be released (which had showed the aircraft in final assembly). The first flight was still months away.

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By: Wanshan - 6th January 2013 at 22:17

The photo in question was a clever fake that ‘Flight’ swallowed hook, line, and sinker. Browsing through the next few issues should produce the entire story.

You actually researched this !:cool:

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By: Mercurius - 5th January 2013 at 21:54

The photo in question was a clever fake that ‘Flight’ swallowed hook, line, and sinker. Browsing through the next few issues should produce the entire story.

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By: MadRat - 5th January 2013 at 02:42

The K-9? http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1963/1963%20-%202052.html

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By: Wanshan - 1st November 2012 at 22:46

Rough indication of dimensions? Length, diameter, span?

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By: Distiller - 1st November 2012 at 17:04

I don’t think it’s supposed to be an unguided rocket, otherwise what are these signal receivers (?) good for at the tip of the aft fins? In a way it looks like an early ATGM. Supersize-me motor and ovesized shape charge warhead. But no idea.

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By: Wanshan - 31st October 2012 at 10:27

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=179675&d=1260645458

Though the latter are far newer than the former, there appears some similarity with the rockets used on the MLRs on the ZUBR landing craft air cushion. Which may be relevant in as far as role/type is concerned (they are obviously different items and different era).

http://splav.org/en/arms/ogon/missiles.asp

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By: mack8 - 23rd October 2012 at 20:19

Another image (from the same book) showing the relative size of this mysterious missile compared to K-13 (75kg) and K-5MS (83kg), and what appears to be S-24 in far left. Again, this mysterious missile has nothing to do with K-9-155 (235kg), which was designed for heavy interceptors anyway (Ye-152), and able to be guided by the Uragan/TsP radar complexes, all this having absolutely nothing to do with MiG-21.:)

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By: mirza2003 - 22nd October 2012 at 06:25

Dear it may be dummy round to checks the aerodynamic. as it is not mention anywhere about the missile( dummy).
paint on the missile indicate that.

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By: quadbike - 22nd October 2012 at 06:17

Nice share Mirza. Damn I do miss flex.

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By: mack8 - 21st October 2012 at 20:33

Thanks for your effort Mirza2003, but really the missile i’m asking it’s NOT K-9-155, trust me. I do have the same book you scanned those pictures from. The missile i’m asking about is not much bigger than a K-5MS.

Oh and regarding the copyright stuff , if someone wants to talk about that , please make a topic in General Off-topic section , thanks.

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By: Wanshan - 21st October 2012 at 18:40

Mercurius, on one hand you are correct, on the other hand, the whole concept of intellectual property is flawed, IMHO.

I personally don’t quite see why an author of a book should be paid royalties everytime someone gets to buy his work but a designer of a bridge should not expect royalties from everyone crossing his work? Where is the difference? Finally, designing and building a bridge is exactly as “intellectual” as writing a book, isn’t it? Which does bridge builder only get his contract-fixed price but a book author also expects royalties for a lifetime?

TOLL BRIDGE!?!?!
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Is a bridge designed by a SINGLE person?

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By: Wanshan - 21st October 2012 at 18:39

Well i would lie if i’d say i didn’t expected something like this…you do have a thoroughly valid point no argue there. My apologies , especially to Mr. Gordon for benefitting from his great work free thru the wonderful world of internet websites, rapidshare.com, depositfiles.com and the likes.

However , at least for me, it’s true that there’s no way in hell i could read the amount of books i did only by buying them. I simply cant afford , and many of the downloaded books are not the most recent anyway. ( that’s not an excuse btw , just a fact)

I DO have a fair collection of books old and new which i bought , including several by Mr. Gordon, but i guess i should just keep quiet and take the blame , as myself just cant resist to wait for god knows how long for WHEN i can afford and IF ,when the download icon is right in front of me …Sorry, thats my truth.

I guess not everyone is perfect, i certainly ain’t.

Sorry for going off-topic.

FIND AND USE A GOOD LIBRARY!?

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By: mirza2003 - 21st October 2012 at 09:35

http://imageshack.us/a/img18/8217/19711744.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img513/6610/k91j.jpg

There is slight difference in size of fin situated in middle of body.
this is only missile which has same size.

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By: AutoStick - 20th October 2012 at 22:07

Dont ever put anything on the internet that you dont want other people to use, steal, copy or modify . Once you put anything on here you have lost all control over it ……….There are millions of people on the net at any given time , & acknowledging your copyright is very low on their list of priorities & to be honest they dont give a stuff!!

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By: mirza2003 - 20th October 2012 at 19:39

Nah, this is K-9-155.:)
http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/avv/k9.html

There are few more line drawing as well as pics which i will post it tomm. (screen print). your link contain pics which is from the same book i had but with more details.

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By: mack8 - 20th October 2012 at 19:01

it is K9-155 missile as mention in other book of Yefim Gorden (Soviet Aircraft Weapon since WW2) :dev2:

Nah, this is K-9-155.:)
http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/avv/k9.html

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By: mack8 - 20th October 2012 at 19:00

It looks like a radio command missile of some type. The missile on the far left looks like the Alkali family, although the body was adopted for an asm.

Indeed the one on the left is a K-5MS/RS-2US (AA-1 ALKALI), and there are also several other pics in the series basically showing bombs , K-5MS and K-13A and R missiles, FFARs, and the mysterious missile i’m asking about, in front of a MiG-21R prototype.

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By: mirza2003 - 20th October 2012 at 13:39

Just re-reading through my MiG-21 book, and i remembered that this little mystery still hasn’t been solved …would any one of our russian friends have an idea of what is the designation for that missile, and any other details? Thank you.

PS: Now don’t you start with that copyright stuff again , i have the damn book in flesh and blood now , happy ?:D

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=179675&d=1260645458

it is K9-155 missile as mention in other book of Yefim Gorden (Soviet Aircraft Weapon since WW2) :dev2:

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