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What plane at Strathallan?

I’ve been having a look through an old scrapbook of newspaper clippings from
the 70s of the Strathallan Collection. Being a kid at the time I never really noticed the finer detail but am now puzzled as to which aircraft is on the right-hand side of this photo of (sadly recently deceased) Willie Roberts. I assumed it was the Hurricane but the undercarriage fairings look like they are forward-facing but too angled to make it the Battle? Can anyone enlighten me? I know the other aircraft in the picture will need no introduction!

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By: wilkofife - 6th January 2013 at 23:49

I did a year’s parachuting there – and remember being held in a lift because a Mossie was arriving with no R/T.

We had to stooge around at 3000 ft and watch it land from above.

Those were magic days. If only I had bothered to take photographs…….

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By: Mothminor - 6th January 2013 at 20:24

Can you imagine that lot flying! The Shackleton T.4 made its last flight to Strathallan as well, shame that one was broken up.
What caused the end of the collection and the sale of the airframes?

I remember the day Zebedee the Shackleton arrived. I had received a phone call that it was on its way – I think it was about 4.15pm – but my Dad didn’t finish work till 4.30pm so I sat by my radio avidly listening in. Well, did it not have radio failure resulting in communication being telephoned to RAF Leuchars and forwarded to the pilot and there was nothing to hear on the radio. Meanwhile my Dad was able to see her fly over on approach and arrived home shortly afterwards to tell me about the new arrival!

I believe the collection ended because of financial difficulties caused in part by high death duties on the estate of Lady Roberts and also its isolated location keeping visitor numbers low.

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By: pagen01 - 6th January 2013 at 20:00

Can you imagine that lot flying! The Shackleton T.4 made its last flight to Strathallan as well, shame that one was broken up.
What caused the end of the collection and the sale of the airframes?

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By: Mothminor - 6th January 2013 at 19:50

Amazing how many Strathallan airframes appeared to be flyers, or made their last flight there.
Was it kept as a live museum?

Very much so. In fact I think they tended to use the term Collection rather than museum for that reason. I think the plan was for most of the aircraft to fly eventually and that would have included the Battle, Bolingbroke, Lancaster, Short Scion and other gems. Of the ones that made their last (or close to last) flights there, the Desford, GAL Cygnet and Miles M.18 immediately spring to mind.

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By: Mark12 - 6th January 2013 at 19:45

I am inclined to add Mark that when we both have our own Tr.IX’s we can pretty much paint them up in whatever scheme we like!

Having said that an authentic scheme for a Tr.IX is pretty difficult unless you like your Spitfire in Dutch -Indian or Irish flavour!

I was going to do mine in Egyptian markings.

The sad thing is that when Willie had that scheme applied he thought it was correct and represented MJ772’s service with 341 Squadron

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By: pagen01 - 6th January 2013 at 19:43

Amazing how many Strathallan airframes appeared to be flyers, or made their last flight there.
Was it kept as a live museum?

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By: Mothminor - 6th January 2013 at 19:34

Nope. The whole scheme was just ‘plane wrong’.

Mark

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Mark12/9-MJ772Auchterarder22September1973colourPeterRArnoldcollection01_zps4793d34f.jpg

Maybe the scheme is totally wrong but that’s a very nice photo nevertheless. Much better than anything I managed as a youngster weilding a Boots 110 Instamatic.
Remember MJ772 passing low over the top of my dad’s car on the way to Strathallan one day – the shadow was the first we knew of its presence. Thrilling!

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By: David Burke - 6th January 2013 at 18:44

I am inclined to add Mark that when we both have our own Tr.IX’s we can pretty much paint them up in whatever scheme we like!

Having said that an authentic scheme for a Tr.IX is pretty difficult unless you like your Spitfire in Dutch -Indian or Irish flavour!

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By: SADSACK - 6th January 2013 at 18:07

re;

for me, the sight of a Spit approaching, head on and the roar of the Merlin/Griffon is the thrill, so it doesn’t really matter what color it is, bit like the view in a rear view ACHTUNG SPITFEUR!

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By: Jayce - 6th January 2013 at 17:09

Well to be fair, all the elements are authentic. 😀

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By: Mark12 - 6th January 2013 at 16:59

Nope. The whole scheme was just ‘plane wrong’.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/Mark12/9-MJ772Auchterarder22September1973colourPeterRArnoldcollection01_zps4793d34f.jpg

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By: Mothminor - 6th January 2013 at 16:45

a IX in green brown? Desert camo?

I gather the personnel of 341 previously served in the Western Desert. Maybe they used this scheme temporarily? Or more likely hoped to be heading to warmer climes than RAF Turnhouse!

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By: SADSACK - 6th January 2013 at 16:36

To quote the Collection’s guide book of the time – “although no two-seat Spitfires were used by the RAF, it is painted in its original colours with its original serial no. MJ772 when it flew as a single-seater with 341 sqdn of the Free French Air Force.”

Of course allowances have to be made for the almost Technicolor finish of the postcard!

a IX in green brown? Desert camo?

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By: Mothminor - 6th January 2013 at 16:31

I seem to remember the Mosquito went for £110,000!

Yes, heartbreaking. Just one win on the thunderball could have got you almost all of this. A clipping from the Flypast of the time.

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By: Mothminor - 6th January 2013 at 16:23

I try not to nitpick but is the scheme on that Spit authentic?

To quote the Collection’s guide book of the time – “although no two-seat Spitfires were used by the RAF, it is painted in its original colours with its original serial no. MJ772 when it flew as a single-seater with 341 sqdn of the Free French Air Force.”

Of course allowances have to be made for the almost Technicolor finish of the postcard!

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By: Melvyn Hiscock - 6th January 2013 at 16:07

I seem to remember the Mosquito went for £110,000!

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By: SimonDav - 6th January 2013 at 16:05

I try not to nitpick but is the scheme on that Spit authentic?

Not on a T.IX it isn’t!

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By: SADSACK - 6th January 2013 at 15:53

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I try not to nitpick but is the scheme on that Spit authentic?

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By: Mothminor - 6th January 2013 at 15:10

That’s the one, yeah.

No idea about the Cross of Lorraine markings, though.

Just had a quick look on Google and there are quite a few variations of the cross – red on a white shield; white on a blue shield or just red or white without the shield. Guess it was down to the pilot’s personal preference.

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By: DazDaMan - 6th January 2013 at 09:58

That’s the one, yeah.

No idea about the Cross of Lorraine markings, though.

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