What should be done about Zimbabwe?

Oh so you’d send in the Collection of Inefective Amateurs would you? That’s not just my opinion of them but that of many members of the US armed forces.

As I said, don’t waste soldiers. I’s sooner trust the CIA than MI6/5/? whoever has the kill thrill.

Never mind oil, doesn’t most of SA including Zim have a good source of Gold and Diamonds?

She found herself sitting with a group of South African whites/Afrikkaans over here on holiday.
Now my missus is a clever sod and latched on to the fact that they were taking the mickey out of an English black girl and her child sitting behind them, not being totally up on the history of African politics, she didn’t understand the constant use of the word Kafir, she said that they were making an issue of this, well they were safe on a British train weren’t they, there were alot of them and she thought that quite frankly from their attitude, that they were a bunch of rascist bullies, a few less and she would have waded in I reckon.

Your wife speaks Afrikaans? The word is spelt Kaffir, and it is a derogatory name which originates from the Arabic Kufar, meaning non-believer. How does she know that’s what they were saying though, if she can’t speak the langauge? The pronunciation is different in Afrikaans than it appears spelled to an english speaker.

So where are all the protesters this time, or are morals applied selectively and fashionably only?(..and all this protesting at the same time Catholics were denied very basic rights in a certain part of Great Britain)……You’d think that due to Mr Mugabe’s score versus Ian Smith that the Island would be beside themselves…. And it is not like Africa didn’t provide plenty of warning signs as to what would happen. The African continent is littered with failed states.

Either way, it will take years just to get Zimbabwe back to the levels it was in the 1970’s, and that is without the endemic corruption and sporadic violence inherent to even the better African governments.

Where are all the idiots who used to hold the anti-apartheid concerts and anti-Rhodesian and anti-South African marches, particularly in England? Where are they now indeed…….

Here I am, I put my hands up, I admit it, it was good fun, I even got on the telly, then back to the student union bar for a few pints of Brickwoods Bitter, and Black Sabbath appearing for a £50 preformance fee, 5 shillings to get in. Those were the days, it was the 60’s after all, being a student was fun then, you’d go and protest against anything then, not that you really knew a bloody thing about life, the universe and it’s consequences, though you thought you did, thats what being a student was all about in those days.

Mind you some things never go away, I work from home, I’m expecting a phone call from a very important man over a multi million pound development that they’ve cocked up, I know he will be sitting in his office sweating in his Armani suit, me I’m sitting here in my shorts and Che Guevara tee shirt, well thats what I was wearing at an important meeting over this issue last night, if you are in business, try it, it puts them at a disadvantage, if you hold all the cards it winds them up even more, it was an attitude impressed on me by a multi millionaire business man that I worked for, it didn’t do him any harm, he’s bloody rich, even I was embarresed by what he would be wearing at some of our meetings.

Sorry, I digress. After discussing the Mugabe problem while cooking dinner, which I’ve know doubt most average British Families do, My missus told me an interesting story last night.
She caught the train to Chelmsford to do a bit of shopping on saturday. She found herself sitting with a group of South African whites/Afrikkaans over here on holiday.
Now my missus is a clever sod and latched on to the fact that they were taking the mickey out of an English black girl and her child sitting behind them, not being totally up on the history of African politics, she didn’t understand the constant use of the word Kafir, she said that they were making an issue of this, well they were safe on a British train weren’t they, there were alot of them and she thought that quite frankly from their attitude, that they were a bunch of rascist bullies, a few less and she would have waded in I reckon.
As she said, Mugabe is a complete b#####d, but if thats still the whites attitude, it doesnt help does it, though given the circumstances, you can’t blame them.
Its a shame Mandella isn’t younger, if he had youth on his side, he may have had some influence, bottom line is, Mugabe is old, he ain’t going to live much longer, as far as the African Congress are concerned, it’s the easy option to wait for him to die until the next dictator comes along and make a few quid out of the populations misery, black or white.

Just kill the idiot.
No wastage of soldiers lives though, just a standard CIA hit team. Like they should have done to Saddo.

Muggabe is the sort of person I’d joyfully kill on live TV, with dial-in audiences picking the method of death. TV rights probably to Sky.
Profits to charity of course.

I always sit on the fence on such matters, when I come off the fence I get banned from forums.

Oh so you’d send in the Collection of Inefective Amateurs would you? That’s not just my opinion of them but that of many members of the US armed forces.

Where are all the idiots who used to hold the anti-apartheid concerts and anti-Rhodesian and anti-South African marches, particularly in England? Where are they now indeed…….

I guess I’m not up on that one!
You could always do what a couple of nice English doctors did last year. They came to Killeen, TX and spent several weeks flying (’cause it was cheaper here) and came down to San Antonio for the Doolittle Raiders Reunion. Our family bumped into them and invited them for dinner. We had a great time.

Oh, and we’d still come help ya again if need be.

Please come and help us to reinstate the Mildenhall Air Fete, we miss it and don’t deserve our subsequent loss of UK/US relationships, it’s passing has become a great big hole in our airshow calendar, I miss my Polish sausage for a start, life over here has suffered as a consequence.

plus the fact that the Red Arrows are out there with the whole USAF to mesmerise and shoot down

I guess that’s why they only felt the need to put one F-22 behind them. :diablo:

You only gained your country because our King was urinating green at the time, otherwise you would be enjoying Coronation Street and East Enders like the rest of us, see what you are missing out on, sad unlightened people.

I’ll enjoy my July 4th celebrations, thank you!

CAF v Duxford

Now, the Commemorative Air Force aircraft alone (stinkin’ PC name change) were not what I was talking about. That’s why I used the term Confederate (it gets such a bad rap, but it’s fun to use it in it’s true sense). For instance, there’s a certain wealthy Texas oilman here where I live that has a fabulous collection, including Glacier Girl! I bet if we really had to, the civilians here in the US could give your RAF a run for their money ;)! OK, all joking aside, I do appreciate my Scottish and English roots. Some of my best friends are over there this month touring. Oh, and we’d still come help ya again if need be.

Bad idea… Certainly a lot of my fellow countrymen have descended into evil ways, deranged thoughts, and messed up politics, but I reckon even most of them’d rally against such an idea! You’d meet up with a true Confederate Air Force, as well as numerous other ingeneous devices.

Nah, you wouldn’t stand a chance.
CAF v Duxford plus the fact that the Red Arrows are out there with the whole USAF to mesmerise and shoot down.
We could see Redcoat reinactors invading from Canada and taking control.
I’m looking forward to watching ‘News at 10’ tonight, the sight of the US ambassador crawling to Downing Street to give his surrender document to our nice Mr Brown will be the highlight of the year. Unless a deal can be struck whereby Neil Diamond can return to the US and never come back here, difficult one I know, but such an agreement could retain the integrity of the US, after all, us Brits don’t want to have to fund all those CSI programmes as well as having to put up with Diamonds considerable ego and dodgy talent.
You only gained your country because our King was urinating green at the time, otherwise you would be enjoying Coronation Street and East Enders like the rest of us, see what you are missing out on, sad unlightened people.

Do they have any oil?

That was the VERY first thought that popped into my head! And from the perspective of the current administration in the US, they don’t matter anyway, since they’re brown people in Africa. No oil, brown skin, in Africa. Three strikes against them, and they’re outta there!

J (eagerly awaiting 4 November 2008)

Bad idea… Certainly a lot of my fellow countrymen have descended into evil ways, deranged thoughts, and messed up politics, but I reckon even most of them’d rally against such an idea! You’d meet up with a true Confederate Air Force, as well as numerous other ingeneous devices.

Get some (any, no need to be picky) European government to re-establish colonial rule.

Capital idea!

Let’s try the idea out on our rebellious colonies in the Americas first, shall we? :p

Get some (any, no need to be picky) European government to re-establish colonial rule.

I say we let the EU handle this one 😀

You mean like their international role in Afghanistan, which is to hide in their fortified zones in safe areas and let the Brits, Yanks and Canadians do all the nasty work and get killed.

A bit like the last event in the Balkans, the Brits, with American support, went hell for leather for Pristina with all the dangers of doing that, including an unexpected confrontation with the Russians. The big media event was all about the ‘Afrika Korps’ moving in, their movement being delayed until our lads made sure it was safe to do so, didn’t want any EU troops being hurt in the process did we.

If the so called free world wants to try and rid itself of people like this, they have a problem. I’m sure that there are plenty of other unnamed despots about, it’s just that white people are also involved. We are only taught to live in fear of such countries as North Korea, Iran, Syria and to a certain extent China and Pakistan, Zimbabwe doesn’t pose an international threat, so who is prepared to put their troops lives on the line for an old git who may have destroyed his country, and be a pain in the bum as far as the UN is concerned, but he won’t live much longer anyway, I reckon that’s what they are banking on, though, given the attitude, I can see the old boy being shipped off to SA for medical treatment if he was ill, would they introduce cyanide into his blood stream, doubt it very much, he’s one of the lads after all, and after several centuries of slavery, white domination and manipulation, I wouldn’t bloody blame them.

Mugabe is a complete despot of a kind that only he and the African psyche can understand, eventually he won’t get away with it, or perhaps he can do an Amin, convert to Islam and live whats left of his sad cruel life in Saudi Arabia free from Western and African judgement.

Forget involvement with African peacekeepers, with all due respect, they haven’t a clue, look at the Sudan, they get wasted everytime, it’s lambs to the slaughter, can you blame them for not wanting to get involved.
Don’t forget Sierra Leone, the African peacekeepers achieved nothing, a few helicopters, Harriers and proper troops and it was all over, but one brave soldier died, somebodies family are still grieving as a result of a strange, and to them, no doubt a pointless conflict, or was it something to do with diamonds.

Where am I going with this, I don’t know, the whole issue stirs peoples feelings, but they aren’t on the cutting edge are they.
I think it sums up African politics, the wonderful Mandella indulges himself in a UK birthday concert while all and sundry get killed and beaten in Mugabes ‘Empire’. One of the greatest and possibly most influential African politicians of all time is quite prepared to do this while under international pressure to do something, it’s far easier to have a good old free party with world adulation isn’t it, his speech of condemnation was’nt exactly the stuff of meaningful threat was it. Having said that, I refused to watch the concert on principle, was anything said by the participants at the time, I don’t know, but it would have been a bit of statement if they all had, not that I imagine they did for one moment, half the performers probably think that Zimbabwe is a village in the North Pole.

I doubt whether there’s any hope till this man dies, the Africans will never do anything about it, even if they had the will to do so, he is no doubt regarded as the man standing up to Imperialist aggressors with big sticks, it will always be the same, can you blame them, after all, life is cheap over there, apparently, in comparison to being able to drive up to Sainsburies without threat, well, possibly, depends on where you live, we all have the same sickness, just on a different scale.

I say we let the EU handle this one 😀

… and John Barrowman.

You can’t have a Saturday night primetime show on BBC1 without John Barrowman.

That’s the law, matey! 😎

Woo hoo, send in Torchwood to sort him out, they’ve got some cool weapons, they are real aren’t they, looking after us against aliens.
I doubt whether Captain Jack would be prepared to give the old scrote a kiss though, could be could prime time TV if he did.

I suspect it will be solved in a 12 week BBC-1 Saturday night primetime show, hosted by Graham Norton and featuring a judging panel of Idi Amin, Fidel Castro and Nelson Mandela…;)

… and John Barrowman.

You can’t have a Saturday night primetime show on BBC1 without John Barrowman.

That’s the law, matey! 😎

What should be done about Zimbabwe ?

I suspect it will be solved in a 12 week BBC-1 Saturday night primetime show, hosted by Graham Norton and featuring a judging panel of Idi Amin, Fidel Castro and Nelson Mandela…;)

No doubt about it, this guy has got to go and soon. I agree that it is the African nations that hold the key to getting rid of one of the most odious regimes in modern times. Kenya has already floated the idea of an armed intervention against Mugabe and his henchmen. The western democracies should funnel both financial and military/material assistance to help the nations in the region to achieve this aim, it will be in their long term interest to see Mugabe consigned to the wastebasket of history and give the Zimbabwean people the chance of a viable and prosperous future or at the very least the right to vote for whom they please without being beaten to a pulp for it. High time also that Air Zimbabwe flights to and from the EU were banned as they are a cash cow for the regimes hard currency reserves and we all know where that cash ends up, I seem to remember other airlines over the years being banned for far less:mad:

Just kill the idiot.
No wastage of soldiers lives though, just a standard CIA hit team. Like they should have done to Saddo.

Muggabe is the sort of person I’d joyfully kill on live TV, with dial-in audiences picking the method of death. TV rights probably to Sky.
Profits to charity of course.

I always sit on the fence on such matters, when I come off the fence I get banned from forums.