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What the Royal Navy needs….

Well any navy really. I Just wondered why Navies don’t combine the role of heliborne radar decoy with CIWS, and better still on an unmanned platform.
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The UAV would be deployed close to the vessel, but out of range of the vessel’s own defenses such as shipboard CIWS. The UAV would have an electro-optical sensor, a datalink, several anti-missile missiles (RAM, Mistral etc) and a radar decoy reflector.

Obviously this wouldn’t be much use to a ship with Aster, but many high-value ships only have CIWS onboard, or worse still just AAA, even 27 years after Falklands.

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By: Jonesy - 1st April 2008 at 07:41

Again though Planeman this issue with the ‘airborne CIWS’ is one of positioning against the inbound. Mistral, like most evolved MANPADS, has precious little cross-range ability – it is a ‘point-defence’ system. This means that, unless the airborne platform happens to be almost directly on the inbounds course, then there is little chance that a weapon like Mistral would be able to make an intercept.

A high endurance rotary platform as an EW asset, however, is an altogether different proposition. Spotting a multi-node ELINT detection capability 20k ft up 50nm off a surface group, on station for 18hrs, without a single planned flight deck movement required to maintain the capability once launched is obviously a hugely valuable asset to a task group commander.

Mounting a stand off jammer, onboard power limitations allowing, in an airframe that could be high-endurance stationed within normal AShM active seeker range of a group and only switched to emit at inbound seeker-activation, to confuse the missile terminal-phase and stuff up any possible value from a home-on-jam mode, is also something that could have real benefits to a forward deployed task group facing an advanced AShM threat.

The beauty of something like A-160T over the more conventional E-2/Ka-31 asset is, of course, that you have so much deployment flexibility with them. You could easily see a dozen or so embarked aboard a CVF type carrier configured for AEW with a Searchwater type array, perhaps three or four more on an LPH configured for ISTAR/Comms relay and should one crash/get shot down or even simply that a requirement for extra airframes crops up you get one VERTREP’d over from the RFA that has 6 in crates in the hold and let the tiffs screw it together and configure the airframe as necessary!. Hell of a capability.

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By: planeman6000 - 30th March 2008 at 18:36

Wouldn’t a hovering CIWS sytem have serious issues with recoil? just an amatuers thought there…

Absolutely, except… that assumes it’s using a gun. I’d suggest light anti-missile missiles with IIR seekers, like RAM or Mistral.

RAM is about the size of a Sidewinder, and is widely regarded as superior to Phalanx 20mm CIWS.
http://www.talkingproud.us/ImagesMilitary/MarinetteMarine/RAM116.jpg

The French Mistral MANPAD is fast enough to offer some anti-missile capability and is employed as a CIWS in the Sadral system:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mistral/images/Mistral7.jpg

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By: Arabella-Cox - 30th March 2008 at 16:47

Wouldn’t a hovering CIWS sytem have serious issues with recoil? just an amatuers thought there…

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By: Distiller - 30th March 2008 at 16:14

What was the name of that sci-fi soap? Deepsea? Deepquest? The days of the swarms of protective robots is only just beginning. Look e.g. at the AN/WLD-1 Remote Minehunting System the USN is going to field. Just a question of time till aerial vehicles do the same, esp in littoral environment and in harbors.

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By: Jonesy - 30th March 2008 at 15:38

Quite right – not sure about the airborne CIWS as such – most CIWS systems bank on zero bearing-rate for the inbound or, at least, a limited bearing rate.

A high endurance platform capable of lofting a significant payload and keeping it up for a good stretch IS something that will be valuable to the RN (amongst others). Thankfully this is already in the works in the shape of the A160 Hummingbird Warrior – shown below carrying a 1000lb payload – which could be representative of a fairly decent radar array. If Boeing could only keep it from crashing every now and again it’d be a hugely beneficial system for the ISTAR/AEW mission aboard non-CATOBAR carriers.

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