What to say to the control tower

Originally posted by Deano777

is your mate part of the Bristol & Wessex Flying Club Moggy?

Dunno.

I’ll ask him 🙂

Moggy

Dont forget though, although you must use the correct phraseology, the ATController is another human, and he wont castrate you if you get it wrong. But dont get it wrong, because you shouldnt really. Dont panick though, thats the worst that can happen. Just sit calmly and think about what you want to do, what you have been told to do and what other aircraft in the circuit have said they are doing.
And dont forget, everyone has been in the same situation at some point in their training, so its not like youre alone there!

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Does anyone know where I could get hold of that Transair cassette.
Thank you:D

a few pilots tend to do that anyway without needing an excuse :p

is your mate part of the Bristol & Wessex Flying Club Moggy?

I suppose as long as you state your intentions clearly then there wont be any problems

That seems reasonable, but it does tend to open the way for those who feel they have to broadcast their life story, breakfast menu and inside leg measurements at every opportunity 😉

In the end we need to remember that the ATCOs are there to serve us, not vice versa. But whatever we can do to make their job easier helps us in the long run.

Moggy

I’ve got a chum who has just joined a Robin group at Bristol.

Moggy

I fly from Bristol International and I have got myself in strife a few times when I was training by not doing the downwind touch and go call, whilst cleared to finals I called finals touch and go, and ATC have said, oh, your doing more circuits? in that case cleared touch and go with a left turn out, surface winds xxx.

As for CAP413 I guess everyone is taught the phraseology needed for their specific airport, this is how I was taught at Bristol and like Ive stated Ive deviated from this and ATC got a bit funny with me so I just stick to what I have been taught.
I suppose as long as you state your intentions clearly then there wont be any problems

Best regards

Dean.

Interesting.

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I was taught that the downwind call had to add the circuit direction, not the intentions.

So downwind became “G-ABCD Downwind 26 left hand”

And finals became “G-ABCD, Finals 26, full stop”

What does CAP413 say, I haven’t got a copy handy.

Moggy

(In case you are wondering, the second line of this post was contributed by my cat, Mr Warwick, walking across the keyboard)

Guys

Just remember when your doing circuits you must state intentions on downwind, i.e. G-ABCD downwind for touch and go, then ATC wont give you a landing clearance but a touch and go clearance, G-ABCD cleared for touch and go surface wind blah blah blah, if they give you clearance to land then it is to land, i.e. land, clear runway and taxi back, so when you are on your last circuit you call G-ABCD Downwind to land then ATC know your intentions, also if its busy they may tell you your circuit direction especially if they want you to change direction from your last circuit

hope this helps

Dean

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Yes let’s hope the weather is nice and calm this weekend for lots of fun solo hour bu

yes i know, the weather better be good because last week on sunday i spent ages scraping frost off the plane and my hands were raw!!!
Hope weather keeps up for you too.

Originally posted by NTW
Thank You all thats a real help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wish me luck on sunday then!

Yes let’s hope the weather is nice and calm this weekend for lots of fun solo hour building time. And for your flight ofcourse.

Yepeeeeeeeee

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

I’m reading the CAP now

Yes i will ask my instructor for further help and i’m sure she will guide me through it on the day but i just wanted to be prepared. I will read the CAP though well actually accessing it now.

NTW – you MUST ignore any advice other than anyone who has guided you to read CAP 413 and consult your instructor for any particular peculiarities for you airfield.

Thank You all thats a real help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wish me luck on sunday then!

Originally posted by SteveYoung
It’s not actually as daunting as you may think. While you’re on the ground taxiing, you’ll have plenty of time to think your calls through, and if you really are worried beforehand it’s probably best that you pitch up a bit earlier than planned and talk it through with your instructor.

When you’re flying in the circuit, time is far more precious, so keep your transmissions to an absolute minimum. In the circuit, you’ll find there are usually just two calls which you need to make; downwind and final. Generally they’ll go:

Downwind – “G-ABCD downwind”, the response will be something like “G-ABCD, you are number one, report finals”, at which point you would reply “G-ABCD, number one, will report final”.

Final – “G-ABCD Final”, and all being well, Air Traffic’s response will be “G-ABCD clear to land”. You then reply “Clear to land, G-ABCD”

Main thing is to listen and understand what you hear, and then read it back so that Air Traffic know you’ve understood it.

I suggest that you try to get hold of the RT training cassette from Transair, best £8.50 I’ve spent this year! 😀

Good luck.

And try not to cut in front of others, I sometimes do it where there is a quite space between calls, you should see how wild my instucter goe’s:confused:

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

Okey dokey

Originally posted by NTW
Hey, can anyone help me please. I’m doing my circuits at the moment and on Sunday i have to do all the radio calls to the tower, could anyone help me on what to say. It’d be great if you could give me a basic outline on what to say i know that the information can change but just an outline or anything, Please!

Thanks

You give your ATIS and your hold.
Once in the air give your downwind.
On final give your final.

I can tell you what you need to know over my mobile if you like, give me a call if you want.

07900 248055

Regards

R.weaver

Safe legal flying

NTW

This is something your instructor should be talking to you about – we will only confuse you, everyone has their own ideas. Go to the CAA website and follow the links to download CAP 413 and that will give you more than you need. Don’t worry though, it will soon come to you.

It’s not actually as daunting as you may think. While you’re on the ground taxiing, you’ll have plenty of time to think your calls through, and if you really are worried beforehand it’s probably best that you pitch up a bit earlier than planned and talk it through with your instructor.

When you’re flying in the circuit, time is far more precious, so keep your transmissions to an absolute minimum. In the circuit, you’ll find there are usually just two calls which you need to make; downwind and final. Generally they’ll go:

Downwind – “G-ABCD downwind”, the response will be something like “G-ABCD, you are number one, report finals”, at which point you would reply “G-ABCD, number one, will report final”.

Final – “G-ABCD Final”, and all being well, Air Traffic’s response will be “G-ABCD clear to land”. You then reply “Clear to land, G-ABCD”

Main thing is to listen and understand what you hear, and then read it back so that Air Traffic know you’ve understood it.

I suggest that you try to get hold of the RT training cassette from Transair, best £8.50 I’ve spent this year! 😀

Good luck.

Far better you read CAP413 where it is laid out chapter and verse. This is available as a pdf online.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP413.pdf

The interaction will vary depending on the level of ATSU that you are dealing with. Is this an a/g radio, an Info, or a full blown ATC tower? If you aren’t sure, tell us which aerodrome you are learning at.

Moggy