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NOT Hoppy Baders LancFire from Ebay:dev2:
My first ever attempt to post images……………anywhere…………………….ever……………….probably go horribly wrong :apologetic::(
By: Scramble Bill - 1st July 2013 at 16:24
Probably gone as far as poss with this one, thanks for all info, much appreciated, I never thought it would be possible to identify type and to be able to display it as piece of Lancaster. Now ive finally posted my first pics I will post a few other odds ends.
By: Peter - 1st July 2013 at 04:54
Really hard to say for sure but I can see what looks like possibly and axe blow to it or could be something that happened later.. more likely it was cut up..
By: Denis - 30th June 2013 at 22:55
Denis, do you know whether Lancs were scrapped/broken up/recycled! in that area post-war ?
Possibly parts of aircraft only were likely to have been recycled by someone. I have asked plenty of local people about this activity taking place in the mid 50’s-60’s but so far to no avail.
The airfield closed to flying in late 1944 with the Somerfeld tracking that formed the runways of RAF Sawbridgeworth being bulldozed in 1946. That knocks on the head any theory of aircraft flying in for disposal. If the part you have is definitely a Merlin related part, and there was no common feature in the construction of a Hercules engined variant then the likelyhood of identifying the donor aircraft is next to impossible.
I can find no other accounts or records of another Lancaster force landing, or crashing in the immediate area. RAF Sawbridgeworth only had Sommerfeld tracking for runways as it was an upgraded ALG. Even 4 squadrons Mosquitos couldnt operate from there, and had to fly from Hunsdon instead.
By: Scramble Bill - 30th June 2013 at 17:32
Peter, Studying that image and comparing with my piece , trying to visualise whats ‘squashed’ /missing etc , there is a definite match as far as I can see….
Denis, do you know whether Lancs were scrapped/broken up/recycled! in that area post-war ?….does my piece show signs of being cut-up ?….what tools/how would it have been done ?
Do those numbers/letters have any meaning….DR= Drawing ?
By: steve_p - 30th June 2013 at 16:48
514 are shown as only operating I and III type Lancs, I can only assume the II was a typo in the info I had, so yes, a merlin powered aircraft.
According to the Air Britain Lancaster File, 514 Squadron were allocated a number of IIs, LL683 being one of them. Unless this particular aircraft was re-engined with Merlins, I would suggest that the panel belongs to another aircraft.
Steve P
By: Peter - 30th June 2013 at 15:10
Yes Merlin.. it looks very similiar construction to the top engine cowl from this lanc wreck..
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By: Denis - 30th June 2013 at 09:00
514 are shown as only operating I and III type Lancs, I can only assume the II was a typo in the info I had, so yes, a merlin powered aircraft.
By: steve_p - 30th June 2013 at 05:25
On the 31 3 1944 Lancaster II, LL683 from 514 Squadron, force landed in field next to airfield when fuel ran low after many diversions. Returning from the infamous Nuremburg raid, this aircraft was the last one to put down. Pilot W/O W.L McGowan. All crew safe.
That was a radial engined Lanc. Is the cowling above for a Merlin?
Steve P
By: Denis - 29th June 2013 at 20:48
On the 31 3 1944 Lancaster II, LL683 from 514 Squadron, force landed in field next to airfield when fuel ran low after many diversions. Returning from the infamous Nuremburg raid, this aircraft was the last one to put down. Pilot W/O W.L McGowan. All crew safe.
There you go:)
By: Scramble Bill - 29th June 2013 at 17:37
HAH! That didn’t go too badly…..not bad for a 100 year old, very basic Goodmans 3mp camera with brain damage!! (tripod fell over,camera hit wall hard enough to embed paint from wall onto camera)
Ive had this piece at least 30 years…a school boy pick-up…couldn’t tell you exactly where it was found now….airfield vicinity….can remember blast pens-piles of rusting ,black bicycles-piles of concrete………………LANCASTER??!!……….wow….really?….numbers/markings, all on the triangular piece =’N’in a circle. TK 52. DR32 189. 63420. Difficult to make out……………….100% Lanc? ……if so, I can label/display…..well chuffed!!………….no chance of narrowing it down……………..mk??
Thanks for replies anyway……….will dig out other odds/ends to photo………no aliens involved whatsoever…………………….or were there………………..:dev2:
By: Peter - 29th June 2013 at 15:22
Lancaster bomber top engine cowling
By: Denis - 29th June 2013 at 14:20
Can you make a clear note of all the numbers and marks for us to scrutinize Bill ?
By: AnyBalloons? - 29th June 2013 at 10:59
You had me going there for a minute – I thought the thread title read ‘Aliens Green’. Should’ve gone to ‘that shop’….
By: Denis - 29th June 2013 at 07:33
Well it didnt eh? 🙂
Interesting, I found a lot of non wartime aircraft related items at Allens Green in the 1980’s, I think someone broke aircraft up in the 1950’s locally.
With the close proximity of Sawbridgeworth airfield it could be from one of the local crashes known about. Also, The last aircraft down from the ill fated Nuremburg raid, a Lancaster, bellied in in a field close to Allens Green.
Was this found on one of Julian Evan Harts ‘surgical cleansing metal detector rallies’ he held on the airfield site a couple of years ago?
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