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Whats in a name?

Looking at some pictures today something struck me..

The Typhoon and the Tempest are clearly related, indeed the Tempest was at one point the Typhoon II, but still have different names.
If you then look at a Spitfire Mk I and compare it to any of the last Mk’s the difference between them is HUGE…so why did they keep the name?
Because of its legacy?

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By: Mark12 - 29th April 2005 at 14:20

Thanks Mark, so do any of the airworthy Spitfires have non-identical legs?

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Well obviously to be avoided but the A.P. for Mk XIV for example does say that some legs can be paired with others and it lists them.

For many of the legs a dedicated gear door is required. At a basic level ‘front link’ doors do not fit on ‘rear link’ legs but it is much more complex than just that.

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By: Stuart - 29th April 2005 at 14:14

Thanks Mark, so do any of the airworthy Spitfires have non-identical legs?

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By: Mark12 - 29th April 2005 at 14:03

Thanks for that Mark, I’d never seen such a comparison before.
Twice the weight and twice the power…..impressive.
The undercarriage loading statistic is interesting, I thought that Seafires had a reputation for having a weak undercarriage and frequent collapses from the violence of carrier landings, yet in the table is rated at three times the loading of the Spitfire mk1. Was this a problem with earlier Seafires that was fixed by beefing up the undercarriage on the 47?

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Stuart,

I think on my last count I had seen over 25 external variations on the development of the Spitfire/Seafire main gear. Permutations of spline type, forward and rear scissor link rotational control, axles at various ‘toe ins’ and camber.

Increasingly heavy duty body forgings and axles followed by lightened versions to save a few ounces of weight. Seafire ‘add-ons’ etc etc. When you get to the 20 series wing, a complete new u/c design, massive by comparison to the early spline type originals and even at this late stage in the war, with relatively limited production, there were still at least three major design iterations.

This is one of the reasons collectors looking for legs struggle to match a pair. It is a bit like a game of ‘Spitfire rummy’.

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By: Stuart - 29th April 2005 at 13:37

Thanks for that Mark, I’d never seen such a comparison before.
Twice the weight and twice the power…..impressive.
The undercarriage loading statistic is interesting, I thought that Seafires had a reputation for having a weak undercarriage and frequent collapses from the violence of carrier landings, yet in the table is rated at three times the loading of the Spitfire mk1. Was this a problem with earlier Seafires that was fixed by beefing up the undercarriage on the 47?

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By: dhfan - 29th April 2005 at 13:30

I read once that the increase in weight between the first and last Spitfires was the equivalent of a Mk.I taking off complete with 32 airline passengers and their luggage!

Don’t know where they’d sit…

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By: Arabella-Cox - 29th April 2005 at 13:16

Very interesting comparison there Mark, fascinating reading.

I wouldn’t want to have been the man who had to measure the rate of roll in a Spifire 1 though. Max level speed 362mph, max diving speed 450mph, and he not only gets asked to measure the roll rate at 400, but manages to establish that it is 14.0 degrees per second!! Yikes!!

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By: Mark12 - 29th April 2005 at 09:37

Spitfire re-name

At the change of wing profile with the ‘torque box’ design at the ‘twenty series’ a change of name to Victor for the Mk 21 was mooted but not taken up.

That said if you compare a Mk I Spitfire fuselage and a Seafire 47 fuselage, the centre line of spar attachment, the upright firewall and the tail annulus frame, the pilot position and controls are all in the identical position.

What sets the Spitfire basic design in a class above its peers was the ability of it to be developed to such an amazing extant whilst still retaining its flying qualities well within the scope of a typical service pilot.

I’ll dig out some of the comparative figures.

Mark

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