whats stopping 'just jane' being a flyer??

Just going back to the Shack issue. i understand it is classified as a ‘complex’ type bythe CAA and therefore requires mandatory design support from the manufacturing organisation. Whilst Bae have seen fit to ‘surrender’ such authority for de H types such as the Chipmunk to dHS, it should be remembered that the jet types and even the Mosquito were spcifically excluded from the ‘package’. Do not confuse the technical ability to restore an a/c to flying status with the sometimes more onerous legislative issues which need to be overcome to allow it to fly after restoration.

Too bad

Too bad there is no historic group like the U.S. CAF or Canadian Warplane Heritage (I hope I have that right, if not, please forgive me) to put a private Lanc in UK or European skies.

I guess no one wants to spend their own money as long as the RAF already does it.
I know there are a lot of aviation fans in the UK (both average and wealthy…witness the number of flyable warbirds) I wish some could get together and make somthing happen in regard to a Lanc or Mossie.

Its common knowledge that the 2 brothers that own the lanc wish it to fly again, they said they hope to see it in their lifetime.

G_Lanc

Other than that, maybe – but who would talk the owners out of owning their memorial to their brother? (I am assuming that private ownership would be a block to Lottery funding, of course)

Was it, or was it actually just a spoiler to take up the G-LANC reg?;)

Flood

I well remember the strapline on the cover of the (early) Flypast which covered it’s purchase from Canada by the late Doug Arnold

“Another Lanc found to fly” or words to that effect

ps Has anybody mentioned the Spit PR XIX that BAe restored up at Salmesbury yet???

Anyone think this debate is turning nasty? I think is warming up nicely myself, I for one am learning loads and getting a deeper understanding of the issues. I have to agree with J Boyle that its a shame that another one or two arent flying but JJ is there as a memrial to a lost Brother (literally) I would be very surprised if she ever flew but its probably quite straightforward to get her flying.

Thats right Robbo as I said a few months back,

The thing with East Kirkby is its not a suitable place to operate an airworthy Lancaster from thus meaning NX611 would have to move to another base and the heart of an excellent museum would be ripped out and that seems so uncalled for while PA747 is still airworthy.

It seems a shame only 2 Lancs fly, given the number of survivors.

Besides the fact that The Lady is in private hands,surely,the lottery would be a good place to start for funding…

Other than that, maybe – but who would talk the owners out of owning their memorial to their brother? (I am assuming that private ownership would be a block to Lottery funding, of course)

the IWM Lanc was considered in the 80s

Was it, or was it actually just a spoiler to take up the G-LANC reg?;)

Flood

David, just reading what you said and the first two sentences appear to contradict one another

I think it’s perfectly reasonable that a Shackleton could fly in British skies.

After all the South African machine was well on her way before her unfortunate mishap

Doesnt the exception rather prove the rule here (I am only half serious)

I hope your right with your comments regarding Shaks being a benign type.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable that a Shackleton could fly in British skies. After all the South African machine was well on her way before her unfortunate mishap. It’s also possible that the Air Atlantique machine could operate in the U.K on the N register
for a limited number of display flights. However the problems with British registery relate to the amount of life left on her airframe. Find someone willing to explore the cost of carrying out the necesssary work and she could quite easily grace the U.K skies if a meaningful agreement was reached over the design authority. I suspect that BAe consider her a benign type and with the right assurances would consider transfering the design authority.

[qoute]They are not keen on old aircraft, just look at the resistance they have put up over the Vulcan/Lightning/Buccaneer.[/qoute]

Try telling that to HHA (XX885) and VOC (XH558).

Its a shame that BAE never got their Vulcan XM603 flying, for a time BAE did gave a lot of help to get all its systems and engines working again.

Can anyone give clear definition of how ‘design authority’ can be passed on from e.g BAE? They did do this with DH piston types and more recently Bulldogs etc, which are now handled by DH Support. Could it also be done with the ‘Shack’ and the Lancaster? Or is it only ‘simple single engined types’ ?
mmitch.

previous owner registered as G-LANC

the IWM Lanc was considered in the 80s

Besides the fact that The Lady is in private hands,surely,the lottery would be a good place to start for funding,after all,they tend to hand money out for some rather bizzare projects in this country, (And you know the sort I mean!!!!) and as Just Jane is part of our heritage,it wouldn’t be too difficult I would have thought,to be able to secure the funds to get her airworthy again,nor for that matter,the other Lancasters that are languishing in the various museums in this country. (Parts permitting.)

Just think what a mouthwatering prospect,the sight of more than 1 British based Lancaster would be,Merlin engines a roaring across the sky……….. 🙂

Ken.

I had a taxi ride in JJ a few months ago, and the airframe technician (I have forgotten his name, he used to work on the BBMF Lanc – he may even be in this forum!) was in no doubt whatsoever that she could fly. The degree of renovation of her systems was up to scratch, but getting her to a state that would satisfy the CAA that she was *safe* to fly was another matter entirely. As mentioned, re-sparing would be necessary, plus doubtless other things to repair, and the cost would be high. I am sure this has been said before……

But she *could* fly.

DS

My JJ website….coming on slowly!

Although not knowing much about this particular subject, I was going to mention the ex-Church Lanc… :rolleyes:

So if BAE will not provide design support for the Shakleton in the UK (and hence the absence of the type here) does this also apply to a G registered flying Lancaster? has anyone asked them?

No I am not knocking them btw, its up to them whether or not they want to support any type.

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/mus/uk/1-b/avro_heritage.htm

at least I hadn’t imagined it 🙂

Avro XIX and Moth at Old Warden (both BAe owned) Blackburn B2 at Brough. They arent old are they.

I’ll agree they err on the side of caution, but in todays litigeous world they have to.

BAe Brough also restored the mid fuselage section of Halifax HR792 for YAM at Elvington, and they built the rear fuselage and vertical stabilizers from drawings.

Cheers

Cees