When was the last air to air dogfight considered to be

Feb 1999

Also Etriean Mig-29 downed a MiG-21 with cannon fire in 2000

An identical thread topic to this was posted on PPrune a while ago, and the concencus there agreed that the Eritrean-Ethiopean Mig vs. Mig encounters in 2000 was the last time.

i would say maybe about 2 weeks ago or less in somewhere in africa what with all the civil war etc.

Yep it would appear they are a thing of the past, as for the last dogfight i would have imagined it would be the Falklands, unless someone knows otherwise

Definitely not the Falklands, SAAF was having dogfights in 1987/88 and others even later. (As already sated.)

Feb 1999

Also Etriean Mig-29 downed a MiG-21 with cannon fire in 2000

Ertriea-Ethiopa. Etriean Su-27 downed a Mig-29UB with cannon fire. Su-27 was flown by a female.

Date?

Moggy

Ertriea-Ethiopa. Etriean Su-27 downed a Mig-29UB with cannon fire. Su-27 was flwon by a female.

Dogfighting is close up with cannon. The Belgians practice it in F16’s, and i’m sure others do too. I have no idea when the last one was, but if it wasn’t cloe in twisty-turny it wasn’t a dogfight.

Dogfighting is indeed being close in, not necessarily just ‘guns’. Air combat manoeuvring covers Sidewinder type fights and line of sight engagements. Use of BVR (beyond visual range) weapons is not dog fighting or ACM…..a BVR could technically be launched from any platform (even a Cessna!!). BVR weapons and rules of engagement are interesting subjects in themselves and mistakes (huge cough) can happen

Dogfighting is close up with cannon. The Belgians practice it in F16’s, and i’m sure others do too. I have no idea when the last one was, but if it wasn’t cloe in twisty-turny it wasn’t a dogfight.

Dogfighting would probably be seen as too risky to use multi million (probably nearer billion by now) aircraft and the highly trained aircrew – even though it’s what they’re designed to do.

Could a dogfight not still occur?

Or do our air forces now blow up all “enemy” air power on the ground with missiles before this is allowed to happen?

There is footage from the falklands which shows “dogfighting”-no question. Were the MiGs shot down over serbia shot down with long/medium range AAMs?

Jay

Dogfighting, to me, counts as twisty – turny, trying to get on each others tail etc, so using missiles would count to me as dogfighting, long range missiles wouldn’t count though.

Would you consider using missiles [air to air] as dogfighting? or is using them nullifying a skill of pilot v pilot.

The South African boys were dogfighting Mig 21’s and 23’s around the 80’s and later in their Mirage F-1’s . . . 😀

When was the last Gun Vs Gun Dogfight that happened. ( Bekaa Valley? Iran/Iraq?)

Didn’t the US F-14s down a couple of MiG23’s off Tobruk in 1989?

I think I am right in saying that an F15 shot down 2 Mig 29s over Serbia. Can’t remember if that was the the first war or the Kosovo conflict. Didn’t hear of any engagements in the recent Iraq invasion but there were several in the first Gulf war involving US aircraft and maybe the second as well.

Stuart

Yep it would appear they are a thing of the past, as for the last dogfight i would have imagined it would be the Falklands, unless someone knows otherwise