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Which one is SA-5

I have a question Which missile is SA-5(S-200, Angara). One has about 4 booster and looks much different from the other, both are typical Soviet Missiles. If one is SA-5 what is the other one.
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img004/s200-05.jpg
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/sa5-001.jpg

BOth these are so different. Are these different variants of SA-5. How much do they vary from each other in range, performance and other characteristics.

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By: Wanshan - 6th January 2005 at 23:27

The bottom missile is 5V11/Lavochkin “400” from Dal’ SAM system.
http://pvo.guns.ru/dal/dal4.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/dal/photo.htm

Yep, that looks like a match.

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By: aerospacetech - 6th January 2005 at 08:24

5V21: S-200 Angara (Initial version)
5V28: S-200M Vega-M

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By: Arabella-Cox - 3rd January 2005 at 09:42

Actually bothered to look up some info this time… interesting that the top missile (5V28E) has solid fuel boosters in the form of the four wraparound dropable boosters, but the main engine is liquid fuelled. Only the top missile is shown in pictures and drawings for the SA-5 in Russia’s Arms catalog volume 5 “air defence”, so I would assume that is the current model. (specs given for it are target engagement range: up to 300km, engagement altitude: max 35-40km, minimum 0.3km. Max target speed: up to 4,300km/h.

In the UAV book I looked up it shows many other missiles using boosters similar to the one depicted in the second photo. An interesting version of the missile has a ramjet engine fitted to its nose, which I believe was used for scramjet tests..

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By: muxel - 3rd January 2005 at 02:20

Wanshan’s picture is indeed the V-1000 ABM, deployed around Leningrad for a time in the 60’s.

V-1000 and “A” missile defence system never been deployed around Leningrad. Only at Sary-Shagan test site…

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By: Jonesy - 3rd January 2005 at 02:07

Sean,

So is this the reason that SA-5 is associated with the 5V21 and 5V28 missile rounds?. The 5V21 being this GRIFFON round and 5V28 being the quad-boosted round we all know today?

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By: SOC - 3rd January 2005 at 02:04

You guys are all wrong 😀

The bottom weapon was the ORIGINAL “SA-5”, codenamed SA-5 GRIFFON by NATO. The SA-5 designation was reused for the S-200 when the GRIFFON missile didn’t enter service. The top picture, therefore, is the S-200/SA-5 GAMMON. The missile in the bottom picture is the 5V11 “Dal” SAM. Wanshan’s picture is indeed the V-1000 ABM, deployed around Leningrad for a time in the 60’s. Both of the missiles tend to be confused with one another rather often.

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By: muxel - 3rd January 2005 at 01:55

The bottom missile is 5V11/Lavochkin “400” from Dal’ SAM system.
http://pvo.guns.ru/dal/dal4.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/dal/photo.htm

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By: legolas - 3rd January 2005 at 01:36

The Missile in the Below picture is used a lot of times for depicting SA-5.
I have the old 1978 edition of Soviet war machine and it shows the SA-5 as the missile in the bottom picture. It is also written that it has ABM applications and may be a nuclear warhead. In number of websites it is used for SA-5. I thought that may be they are different variants with the other one being a shortened one with boosters. but even the fins seem so different. The bottom is not the SA-1. Both are so different. The boosters on the bottom one are so big. they cant be from the SA-4. Both the missiles are static and are no way mobile like a SA-4 or SA-6.

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By: Wanshan - 3rd January 2005 at 00:52

PR V -1000 missile (Neva Bastion ABM) with non-standard SA2 booster??

http://pvo.guns.ru/abm/images/pu_032.jpg

But it may indeed be an early SA 5 as well

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By: Jonesy - 3rd January 2005 at 00:32

That booster is straight off an SA-2 and the missile round looks a lot closer to the S-200 than the S-75. Prototype S-200 maybe?

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By: Arabella-Cox - 3rd January 2005 at 00:25

Oops, just lookeda at the SA-1 and this isn’t it. I looke up a very old book (called The illustrated encyclopeadia of Rockets & Missiles by Bill Gunston and the drawing of an SA-5 matches the bottom picture exactly. It also has a photo of these missiles on trucks going through red square with SA-1s on trucks in front of them. Perhaps it is an early model SA-5. The side mounted booster rockets in the top picture look very much like the solution used for the SA-4 to keep its length short enough to mount it on an armoured vehicle. Perhaps the top model SA-5 was to improve mobility by shortening the weapon so that it could be carried more easily?

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By: Arabella-Cox - 3rd January 2005 at 00:17

The top one is the SA-5 and the bottom one is the SA-1. The latter is vertically launched and is now used only as an aerial target… they must have made hundreds of thousands of them…

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By: Jonesy - 2nd January 2005 at 23:59

Top one is the SA-5. Bottom weapon looks, at quick glance, to be an SA-2 variant of some sort.

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