Which was better the Miles or Slingsby SE.5a replicas?

Evenin’ All,
I’d be surprised if Pilot magazine didn’t have a pilot’s report for one or other type. Check their back issues.

For W.W.I films it’s just not cost effective to go authentic (believe the film-makers) – however the French, with the Amicale Jean Baptiste Salis seem to make a replica of just about anything (including Tiger Moth Albatri)

Cheers

Will look up the con number of the EI plated one and see what happened to that…
There have only been two MS.230 on the UK register according to the CAA’s G-INFO.
G-AVEB c/n 1076 – listed as sold to USA in ’96 and
G-BJCL c/n 1049 – listed as sold to USA in ’88

As I said Ill have a nose tonight and see what I can find out.

I think that MS230 is at Compton Abbas, with the rest of the “Flying Aces” collection, although I could be wrong. Isn’t there something about that in the last Flypast?

Hi all
I thought the MS 230 in Blue Max was the one that was at Booker about ten years ago.
I can’t remember any details of the machine but I saw it there.
Any ideas where it is now?
Is it still there and was it a 230 or another variant?
Also I’m trying to track down where the Antoinette monoplane currently is from ‘Those Magnificent Men’–any ideas?
All the best
Andy 😮 😮 :confused:

According to an early IA copy of Civil Registers of the UK the Blue Max used the following UK registered aircraft (not a complete list but as gleaned from the book)

G-ATGV SE.5a Replica (Miles Built) to Eire
G-ATGW SE.5a Replica (Miles Built) to Eire W/o in the mid air with G-AWEE
G-ATIF Pfalz D.III Replica (Bianchi Built) to Eire then to USA
G-ATIJ Pfalz D.III Replica (Personal Transport Built) to Eire then to USA
G-ATIO Caudron C.275 Destroyed in Eire
G-ATIP Caudron C.272 to Eire to France
G-ATIR Stampe SV.4C to Eire to France to UK and current
G-ATIY Fokker Dr.1 Replica (Bitz Built) to Eire to USA
G-ATJM Fokker Dr.1 Replica (Bitz Built) to Eire to USA to UK stored

The ones used in Darling Lil were the Slingsby built “Slingsby T.56 Currie Wot / SE.5a Replica” of which there were six. G-AVOT-Y. All sold to Eire then to USA

Stieglitz
There was an Irish registered Moraine Soulnier MS.230 in 1968 so probably involved somewhere along the line EI-ARG ex F-BGMR.

OAW

The thing to remember is it’s often cheaper and easier to paint or mock something up to look like something else than it is to build a brand-new replica (although the Viv Bellamy Pfalz is an exception). There are of course times when this doesn’t work (the Proctukas in Battle of Britain for instance) so they use models instead.

I prefer Aces High over The Blue Max as it’s less “staged”-looking (even though it includes some scenes from the latter!)

It seems like they chose for the cheap and easy sollutions. The new monoplane at the end is even a Morane Saulnier MS315 isn’t it? That is sad because The Blue Max is a nice movie with flashing dogfights. Some good replica’s would even make a superb movie like this much nicer.

J.V.

Gliding guru Derek Piggot oversaw the construction of the Slingsby versions, but due to a slight scaling error in design, the nose section was too big and boxy. It had almost twice the frontal area, so a large part of the propellor arc was blanked. It definitely looked a bit peculiar, and performance suffered.

The Aces High Stampe versions were still pretty ‘Stampeish’ even with a square fin, Lewis gun, headrest etc, and the flying characteristic were unchanged, ie delightful. Certainly, Neil Williams seemed to like them.

Viv Bellamy built a neat little Pfaltz replica, but I would not be suprised if the shape of the airframe was a factor in decided which to build. Something like the Albatross has a tube-like fuselage with complex curves, whereas an SE5 is nice and slab-sided, and must be much easier (cheaer) to nail together.

They were Tiger Moths – and a few Stampes done up in German markings, too.

I don’t know about the SE5 replicas. But what I do remember from The Blue Max was that some Albatross fighters did look like tiger Moths. :rolleyes: Why did they only make replicas for planes such as the SE5 and not for the Albatross. That would have been much nicer.