Who was the first Limey to fly in the UK

For God’s sake don’t mention the idea to the Green Party or it will be in their next manifesto! But assuming that it has to use fuel from a renewable source, I’d love to see the air to air refueling. Tossing the caber could take on a completely new dimension!

If its steam powered,what wrong with a neuclear rod for the heat source & using the clouds for a water supply in flight?:D 😀 😀 😀

BUT FOR GOD’S SAKE DON’T SHOW THAT ONE TO THE GREENS!!!!!!!!

First all British ( and world ) aircraft to fly under its own power would be John Stringfellows 1848 steam powered monoplane ( based on Hensons Steam carriage) and of a more practical configuration than many later dead-end designs e.g. Wrights.

http://www.flyingmachines.org/strng.html

Ah yes, the flying models (much too small to carry even a child) that flew for all of 30 feet or so in a straight line.

Note that even this brilliant engineer diverted from the monoplane and went to bi and triplane models, as well as a tandem-wing twin-propellor monoplane in an ultimately futile attempt to find a design he could enlarge to carry a pilot.

Depends on how much importance you attach to Horatio Phillips’ flight on April 1907. He took off on level ground and remained aloft for maybe 500-600 feet, which at 30mph means about 12 seconds or so in still air.
This is what the Wrights managed in their first flight of December 17 1903, certainly in terms of time aloft. They, of course, managed a total of four flights that day, the lost being nearly a minute.
Phillips was unable or unwilling to repeat his brief flight, and if you think the Wright configuration was a dead-end, then have a look at Phillips’ contraption:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0232.shtml
He deserves his place in history as a little bit more than just a footnote, even though Roe can rest safe in the knowledge that he was the first Briton to fly in a practical British aircraft – inasmuch as any aircraft of that era could be considered practical.

I forgot that one Scouse and fully agree he deserves a mention. Apparently Phillips’ “Venetian Blinds” were very stable (one of the original aims in Victorian Aviation.
Also the B.E.2 deserves recognition as being the first really controllable, practicable series aeroplane and the ancestor of a fully successful design configuration norm. Look at the Tiger Moth and appreciate its origins!

Incidentally, I notice that somebody from across the Atlantic has already confused the concept of configuration with that of available contemporary powerplant : probably failing to appreciate incidentally, in so doing, that the practicable jet engine was another primarily British (and German) contribution to overall aviation development.

“Limey”?? “Limey”???? Now, where DID I put that telephone number for the Race Relations People?:eek: 😮 😮

Almost as bad as calling a Lancastrian civilised!:D

(Takes cover behind Mrs D-B)

Regards
Keith
(A genuine tyke):diablo:

the stuff that nightmares are made of…………….

I’ll keep my eyes open for a steam powered Airbus.:rolleyes:

For God’s sake don’t mention the idea to the Green Party or it will be in their next manifesto! But assuming that it has to use fuel from a renewable source, I’d love to see the air to air refueling. Tossing the caber could take on a completely new dimension!

I guess Cayley in 1808, but that was a manned glider.
First all British ( and world ) aircraft to fly under its own power would be John Stringfellows 1848 steam powered monoplane ( based on Hensons Steam carriage) and of a more practical configuration than many later dead-end designs e.g. Wrights.
Later on Roe made the first manned flight in an all British Aircraft on 19 July 1909.
Today aircraft of A V Roe heritage are still in service ( e.g. Avro 748 et seq) so a claim of longevity also probably belongs to his heritage.

Depends on how much importance you attach to Horatio Phillips’ flight on April 1907. He took off on level ground and remained aloft for maybe 500-600 feet, which at 30mph means about 12 seconds or so in still air.
This is what the Wrights managed in their first flight of December 17 1903, certainly in terms of time aloft. They, of course, managed a total of four flights that day, the lost being nearly a minute.
Phillips was unable or unwilling to repeat his brief flight, and if you think the Wright configuration was a dead-end, then have a look at Phillips’ contraption:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0232.shtml
He deserves his place in history as a little bit more than just a footnote, even though Roe can rest safe in the knowledge that he was the first Briton to fly in a practical British aircraft – inasmuch as any aircraft of that era could be considered practical.

First all British ( and world ) aircraft to fly under its own power would be John Stringfellows 1848 steam powered monoplane ( based on Hensons Steam carriage) and of a more practical configuration than many later dead-end designs e.g. Wrights.

I’ll keep my eyes open for a steam powered Airbus.:rolleyes:

First all British ( and world ) aircraft to fly under its own power would be John Stringfellows 1848 steam powered monoplane ( based on Hensons Steam carriage) and of a more practical configuration than many later dead-end designs e.g. Wrights.

As, of course, history has shown.

Adrian

Question: who was the first Limey to design, build and test fly and wholly British aircraft?

I guess Cayley in 1808, but that was a manned glider.
First all British ( and world ) aircraft to fly under its own power would be John Stringfellows 1848 steam powered monoplane ( based on Hensons Steam carriage) and of a more practical configuration than many later dead-end designs e.g. Wrights.
Later on Roe made the first manned flight in an all British Aircraft on 19 July 1909.
Today aircraft of A V Roe heritage are still in service ( e.g. Avro 748 et seq) so a claim of longevity also probably belongs to his heritage.

Are you refering to Cody’s flight which is to be recreated. The first flight in the UK:
http://www.codyflyerproject.com/

The first Briton to fly was J T C Moore-Brabazon in a Voisin:
http://www.eastchurchpc.kentparishes.gov.uk/default.cfm?pid=543

The first all British aircraft was the A V Roe Triplane which survives in the Science Museum:
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects/aeronautics/1925-443.aspx

There is a replica of the Triplane in the Museum of Science and Industry (MoSI) in Manchester where another replica, this time to be fully airworthy, is under construction.

Does that help?

Allan