Who would you vote for if the election was tomorrow?

As I said earlier, there’s no defining the 3 main parties now, the lines between them are so blurred…

Maybe that’s a good thing and actually reflects the sort of government the voters of this country actually want; a sort-of middle-of-the-road, right-of-centre (because New Labour moved so far to the right to get elected in 1997), compassionate, accountable, charitable (so long as it starts at home), anti-immigration, Euro-sceptic, government with a conscience?

This country is in a financial mess (all parties agree on that) but we must be careful how we define ‘mess’. ‘Growth’ in the economy in 2012, is, or is predicted to be, about 0% (so the economy has ‘shrunk’ because ‘normal’ growth is about 2%). But what does that actually mean? The economy is 98% of the size it would be if we weren’t in a recession? That doesn’t sound too bad does it?

There is a need to cut back on public spending (again all the main parties seem to agree on this) because the UK has consistently spent more money than it has earned (even in the good times)! So that means ‘austerity’; even Labour is beginning to talk about ‘hard choices’ (that’s austerity to you and me).

The UK is in debt and is still spending too much! You can’t borrow your way out of debt so the money is going to have to come from you-and-I, the taxpayer (in one form or another), and most of us have debt problems of our own! So there IS NOT going to be an easy, painless way out of this…

…and any party that tells you there is…..is lying to get your vote! 😉

I’m sorry but I find the ‘policies’ of UKIP a joke. Leaving the EU would place barriers between the UK and our major market and force foreign investment to leave the UK, so destroying much of our remaining industry. The UK financial heart, ‘the City’, in London would cease to be the powerhouse that it is and the UK would be plunged into a real recession, probably lasting decades.

‘Tackle Foreign Aid’? What the hell does that mean? UKIP, or somebody, should look-up how much the UK actually spends in foreign aid; it sounds a lot of money but the reality is that it is a tiny figure. If you scrapped aid completely how much would you actually have?

‘Immigration’? Although a vote-winner, what actually are the ‘problems’ of immigration? In reality the immigrant workers do lots of jobs that the UK unemployed will not do and much industry, farming and the public sector, such as the NHS, could not function without these workers.

No, sorry, UKIP policies are a joke; it all sounds so simple but the sums don’t add-up.

Surprisingly I do agree with all of that, please explain then why the present collection of old school “chums” are busily attacking front line staff both in numbers and pay.

I thought according to many, Labour were the party of too many chiefs and not enough indians, this bunch are absolutely ace at finding useless nonessential jobs for a select few, then trying to cut the wages of those who actually do the work.

As I said earlier, there’s no defining the 3 main parties now, the lines between them are so blurred. Voting for any of the 3 of them is a vote to continue the ongoing lunacy.

Politics in the UK is long overdue a shakeup, hopefully UKIP and other traditionally minor parties will do just that. The politicians have become complacent.

Calling public employees that we cannot afford to pay ‘front line staff’ does nothing to disguise the fact that if the money isn’t there then the job doesn’t exist, at least not for long.

Moggy

The public sector needs a serious overall. It’s become bloated, a beaurocratic nightmare that is perpetually seeking more money. There are thousands of civil servants on top draw salaries that seem to contribute very little other than forming committees.

Surprisingly I do agree with all of that, please explain then why the present collection of old school “chums” are busily attacking front line staff both in numbers and pay.

I thought according to many, Labour were the party of too many chiefs and not enough indians, this bunch are absolutely ace at finding useless nonessential jobs for a select few, then trying to cut the wages of those who actually do the work.

From their manifesto I understand they’d be building our way out of the recession. With large investment in infrastructure (nuclear power, rail, road and air services).

So basically more spending?

Well I guess at least it’s not more civil servants.

Moggy

Genuine question. What will UKIP do to solve the economic issues?

Moggy

From their manifesto I understand they’d be building our way out of the recession. With large investment in infrastructure (nuclear power, rail, road and air services).

Vast industry tax cuts to encourage manufacturing business back to the UK, creating 500,000 manufacturing jobs and reducing the budget deficit – but that’s probably easier said than done…

They would also cut social benefits.

http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPmanifesto1304a.pdf

EU In/Out Vote

Tackle Foreign Aid
Tackle Quangos

Tackle Immigration
Tackle Business Taxes
Tackle Employment Laws

The last three are about helping small businesses, getting people back into jobs.

They may not do it, neither have the three other parties, but they might.

Genuine question. What will UKIP do to solve the economic issues?

Moggy

I voted for UKIP last time, and I should think I’ll be voting for UKIP come 2015.

To me, they are the only party putting out a consistent message.

I want a party with some gumption, to deal with the real issues and the big three just don’t tick the box.

For all their faults Labour is by far the best option

I don’t agree, at all.

Labours strategy would be to borrow their way out of our troubles. That ship sailed a long time ago! The debt, and deficit are too large.

Have you ever heard of anyone borrowing their way out of debt? I have, it ends in an IVA or bankruptcy, any years of financial pain. And your credit rating is permanently screwed.

The public sector needs a serious overall. It’s become bloated, a beaurocratic nightmare that is perpetually seeking more money. There are thousands of civil servants on top draw salaries that seem to contribute very little other than forming committees.

Leftist politics do not work when there’s no cash in the coffers. Look at the history of the USSR for proof.

That had crossed my mind too, but could they really do much worse than Labour?

The frightening thing is… probably not 😮

For all their faults Labour is by far the best option

Did you not notice what they ‘achieved’ last time?

Moggy

A common misconception.

http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/2553-what-we-stand-for

Disregarding my earlier tongue in the cheek post. UKIP would be the only party I would or could vote for if I did vote. Labour is a lost cause, the Liberals are finished and offer nothing anyway and the Tories are no longer conservative.

The Tories are no longer Conservative?, the present gang are the archetypal nasty party in full flow once again.

Thoe only thing in their tiny little brains is to attack public sector and workers at any and every opportunity, then have the crust to whinge when for instance the NHS is struggling to maintain a quality service.

Their response is then to give private sector more and more public money to take on public sector work but using anyone to do the job, provided they work for buttons.

I notice Osborne’s gift to build more schools etc, reality this is to build more “free” schools which are selective and not free.

For all their faults Labour is by far the best option, problem is if Osborne’s left in charge of the nation’s finances, there really will be nothing left, but more debt, less jobs, more unemployed or underemployed, even those working will not be earning a living wage.

Labour were too little too late on getting to grips with immigration, but all this bunch of clowns have managed is a reduction in foreign students attending universities in this country, yes there were some dubious universities, but most were fee paying students taking genuine courses.

Labour – never !!! Its an absolute joke that they can sit there at PM questions and ridicule another parties efforts to correct the total **** up that their parties government caused in the first place.

I voted UKIP last time and would do so again !!

Rob

I gave up politics when Margaret Thatcher resigned.

I almost gave up hope while she was still in power.

UKIP is a fringe, single-issue party. I dread to think what amateurishness they would bring to the country’s finances.

Moggy

A common misconception.

http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/2553-what-we-stand-for

Disregarding my earlier tongue in the cheek post. UKIP would be the only party I would or could vote for if I did vote. Labour is a lost cause, the Liberals are finished and offer nothing anyway and the Tories are no longer conservative.

UKIP is a fringe, single-issue party. I dread to think what amateurishness they would bring to the country’s finances.

That had crossed my mind too, but could they really do much worse than Labour?

Realistically, UKIP don’t stand a chance against either Labour or Conservatives in the next election, but an agreement with the Conservatives or possibly another Coalition seem likely. Either way we’d see a referendum on the EU, and a change on immigration, which I want.

We need a ConUKip coalition – with Farage and Boris – expect plenty of buffoonery…

based on the above, I vote Moggy C…..:eek:

UKIP may pull some “Protest” votes in by elections, but come a full scale general election, people stick to the “big”, parties remember David Steele and his “Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for Government” statement?

To answer the question, I just couldn’t bring myself to vote.

The Con-Lib government is doing its best to pull us out of the mire but doesn’t seem to be achieving much.

Nobody in their right mind could ever trust Labour with the economy again after the debacle of last time.

UKIP is a fringe, single-issue party. I dread to think what amateurishness they would bring to the country’s finances.

Moggy

I too, like others, would vote for UKIP…

If The Aviation Forum‘s poll is anything to go by, it’s starting to look like Nigel can expect a landslide victory in 2015? :p

I wouldn’t go that far, but from what I can tell UKIP are now the 3rd party behind the big two, LibDems are finished.